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Old 10-10-2014, 08:07 PM   #8421  
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No. 4, 3, 2, and 1 day trips.

Curious as to why an ULCC model would cause 5 day trips? The ULCC model doesn't have much bearing on the guys sitting up front, it just brings in gobs and gobs of cash for the company (and hopefully for the pilots in the next contract).

I also wouldnt credit being an ULCC with 4-5 days off between pairings either. I typically roll between 17-19 days off per month.
Exactly why I'm asking. At F9 we just got peppered with a sickening number of 5 day trips for November. The new markets we're going into are requiring them apparently. I wondered if it was something you all dealt with visa vis Indigo? I don't even know I used Visa Vis correctly. Anyway, perhaps it has more to do with the lack of many domiciles. I just hope it doesn't last.
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Exactly why I'm asking. At F9 we just got peppered with a sickening number of 5 day trips for November. The new markets we're going into are requiring them apparently. I wondered if it was something you all dealt with visa vis Indigo? I don't even know I used Visa Vis correctly. Anyway, perhaps it has more to do with the lack of many domiciles. I just hope it doesn't last.
We used to have a handful of 5 day trips but most of them were 4 duty periods with only 1-2 legs a day. They went senior. Lots of hotel time though. At the moment we don't have them but what we have instead is an increasing number of legs per day. My next 4 day is 3,3,3,2... still only pays 22 hours which is considered a "score" right now. sigh... Eventually we will get more and more legs I am sure. That is the ULCC model. Same bag fee applies for a 2h leg vs a 1h leg. More cities, more legs. I am not looking forward to that.
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Old 10-11-2014, 09:20 AM   #8423  
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thanks lobaeux and normann.
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Old 10-11-2014, 09:25 AM   #8424  
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We used to have a handful of 5 day trips but most of them were 4 duty periods with only 1-2 legs a day. They went senior. Lots of hotel time though. At the moment we don't have them but what we have instead is an increasing number of legs per day. My next 4 day is 3,3,3,2... still only pays 22 hours which is considered a "score" right now. sigh... Eventually we will get more and more legs I am sure. That is the ULCC model. Same bag fee applies for a 2h leg vs a 1h leg. More cities, more legs. I am not looking forward to that.
I get lazy and do enjoy some of the one leg to FLL to sit by the pool all day but I would do 3-4 legs a day if it meant 25-27hr 4- days
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Old 10-11-2014, 10:17 AM   #8425  
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I get lazy and do enjoy some of the one leg to FLL to sit by the pool all day but I would do 3-4 legs a day if it meant 25-27hr 4- days
I am with you. I would too.
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I am with you. I would too.
Just make the rig 6:30 per calendar day you don't have to worry about shiit. 1 leg or 5 I'm getting paid.
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:52 AM   #8427  
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Just so everyone is aware, This year I'll make 77.xx as a THIRD year F/O, come JAN, a JB F/O will be at $100 third year, DAL $117. It's bullcrap and we need our rates to come way up.........WAY UP.

That's all. Now time to get ready to watch the G-Men pound the SH-tty Eagles
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:04 AM   #8428  
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Just so everyone is aware, This year I'll make 77.xx as a THIRD year F/O, come JAN, a JB F/O will be at $100 third year, DAL $117. It's bullcrap and we need our rates to come way up.........WAY UP.

That's all. Now time to get ready to watch the G-Men pound the SH-tty Eagles
JB needs to work on their rates as well... But 190 FO pays $49 first year (same pay both frames), and $76 second year in 2015.
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:55 AM   #8429  
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Just so everyone is aware, This year I'll make 77.xx as a THIRD year F/O, come JAN, a JB F/O will be at $100 third year, DAL $117. It's bullcrap and we need our rates to come way up.........WAY UP.

That's all. Now time to get ready to watch the G-Men pound the SH-tty Eagles
What did you put is your minimum acceptable rate increase for year 1 of a new CBA in the survey? I put 35%.
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Just so everyone is aware, This year I'll make 77.xx as a THIRD year F/O, come JAN, a JB F/O will be at $100 third year, DAL $117. It's bullcrap and we need our rates to come way up.........WAY UP.

That's all. Now time to get ready to watch the G-Men pound the SH-tty Eagles
What did you put is your minimum acceptable rate increase for year 1 of a new CBA in the survey? I put 35%.
35% doesn't even match Delta A320 rates, at least not for FO's. Keep in mind that their contract is up in '15 also, and the gap will be even bigger. We need to shoot higher than 35%.
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