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Old 10-13-2014, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj View Post
+1!! The mentality of were you not aware of the current pay scale needs to go..
If we all lived strictly by that theory then none of us would have ever gotten our first job.

I didn't take my job at the regionals because of the great pay. I took it to get experience and hopefully move up to a better company and THEN continue to work for and hopefully get better pay and benefits each contract.
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Old 10-13-2014, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilottim79 View Post
If we all lived strictly by that theory then none of us would have ever gotten our first job.

I didn't take my job at the regionals because of the great pay. I took it to get experience and hopefully move up to a better company and THEN continue to work for and hopefully get better pay and benefits each contract.
How does the current CBA compare to other ultra-low cost carriers?
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtpilot View Post
How does the current CBA compare to other ultra-low cost carriers?
So when going into negotiations if a company already has what is viewed as good pay they shouldn't ask for any improvements?
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj View Post
CA pay should gradually decrease from 50% year 3 to around 20% increase for 12yr CA.
Why only 20% for a 12yr CA? That's parity with Delta and United's A320 rates at their CURRENT values, which are expected to increase significantly in their upcoming cycles. I'm tired of dragging the anchor...

Please don't sell me short...you'll be looking at the higher longevity rates on our next cycle too.
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Old 10-13-2014, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gatorbird View Post
Why only 20% for a 12yr CA? That's parity with Delta and United's A320 rates at their CURRENT values, which are expected to increase significantly in their upcoming cycles. I'm tired of dragging the anchor...

Please don't sell me short...you'll be looking at the higher longevity rates on our next cycle too.
I agree.... How does 30% sound.. That should put you around 220$
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Old 10-13-2014, 12:21 PM
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I dont quite understand why everyone is trying to compare us to Delta. Delta is on pace to make almost 4 BILLION dollars this year. We might make 200 million. Say we have 1300 pilots on the list when the next TA is reached, if every pilot gets a 40k/per year raise that equals a 52 million dollar increase over our current contract. Over 25% of the yearly profit. I dont see any way the company would agree to a cost increase like that.

I hope it happens but I dont see anyway the company agrees to a contract like that in the next 4 years.
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Old 10-13-2014, 01:32 PM
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Holy stock price! $53.00 a share, down from $74.00 a few weeks ago. Tempted to buy but EBOLA............GOD D*AMN EBOLA
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Old 10-13-2014, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs View Post
Holy stock price! $53.00 a share, down from $74.00 a few weeks ago. Tempted to buy but EBOLA............GOD D*AMN EBOLA
Might be a good time to get in.
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Old 10-13-2014, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtpilot View Post
How does the current CBA compare to other ultra-low cost carriers?
Well, there are no other ultra low cost carriers although Frontier is soon to be one. But who cares, a Spirit pilot flies an Airbus into the same airports as any other airline and is held to the same standards as any other pilot and should be paid as any other pilot. Low cost airline does not mean low cost pilot...
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Old 10-13-2014, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
We might make 200 million. Say we have 1300 pilots on the list when the next TA is reached, if every pilot gets a 40k/per year raise that equals a 52 million dollar increase over our current contract. Over 25% of the yearly profit. I dont see any way the company would agree to a cost increase like that.
Which was done with just under 60 airframes. By the time the ink dries on the next CBA the operation may be upwards of 75-80 airframes, more than likely between 130-140 by time it becomes amendable. I've already financed the growth here once, not interested in doing so again.
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