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Old 09-07-2014 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
Do you recognize that giving rank and file access to all financial data also gives our management access to all of our union's financial data? Shareholders are not entitled to access to proprietary financial information of a company, so why should all union membership be shown all the inner financial workings of their union? That's why we can choose our representatives via elections and we should trust them to be custodians of all of our union's resources.

Your charges of impropriety will never be quelled no matter what information you have access to. Let's be real about that.
Directly from the ALPA Admin Manual.

3.​The MEC Secretary/Treasurer shall report at least quarterly to the members of the airline as to the status of the MEC Account including SMRA.

It's been six years since I studied the C&BL's, and the above reference could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Also, I believe that Federal Law requires that unions always have open financials to their membership. I'll cut the SPA MEC some slack on this as it is actually difficult to accomplish, as most financials are in the form of "accountant speak", and it takes an accountant to decipher them. FPL reports are easier and in my experience we have had fairly normal FPL expenditures. As for me, I'd like to see more FPL go toward giving committee vols time to do their jobs and less go toward the ever increasing arbitration process. But that's just my overall philosophy of doing the members business. When the company realizes that our only way of fighting them is in court, they force everything to court.

BTW, I agree on having volunteers on full time FPL. We are certainly big enough to have at least the MEC Chair on full time FPL.
Old 09-07-2014 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
Directly from the ALPA Admin Manual.

3.​The MEC Secretary/Treasurer shall report at least quarterly to the members of the airline as to the status of the MEC Account including SMRA.

It's been six years since I studied the C&BL's, and the above reference could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Also, I believe that Federal Law requires that unions always have open financials to their membership. I'll cut the SPA MEC some slack on this as it is actually difficult to accomplish, as most financials are in the form of "accountant speak", and it takes an accountant to decipher them. FPL reports are easier and in my experience we have had fairly normal FPL expenditures. As for me, I'd like to see more FPL go toward giving committee vols time to do their jobs and less go toward the ever increasing arbitration process. But that's just my overall philosophy of doing the members business. When the company realizes that our only way of fighting them is in court, they force everything to court.

BTW, I agree on having volunteers on full time FPL. We are certainly big enough to have at least the MEC Chair on full time FPL.
Glad we can agree on that.
Old 09-07-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruise
Also agree the likelihood of someone crying 'waste or abuse' is very likely to occur, regardless of how much or little is being spent.
Much less likely if the information is available rather than if not. Right? This is basic accountability, ethics and governance at ANY organization.
Old 09-07-2014 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
Glad we can agree on that.
We probably agree on many things, but politics and the acquisition/retention of power get in the way.

It's actually disappointing to me that pilots in the bottom half of the sen list have jumped into these old political battles. I used to tell new guys that we would only get past the past when enough new blood came in and moved us ahead. It appears from reading here that most of the new blood came in and joined the old team vs making their own.

That's why I'm proud of the DFW guys running for SPA 77 rep positions. They've not joined any team but their own.
Old 09-07-2014 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
Also, I believe that Federal Law requires that unions always have open financials to their membership. I'll cut the SPA MEC some slack on this as it is actually difficult to accomplish, as most financials are in the form of "accountant speak", and it takes an accountant to decipher them.
Nobody is asking for a 100 page GAAP-compliant independently-audited report. Simple financial reports with limited line items are not that difficult to create. A Secretary-Treasurer should know how to do this with basic QuickBooks software. Heck, its part of the job description. What is unacceptable, and contrary to the Bylaws, is to not publish anything at all. I'm sure there are enough MBA-educated pilots here that could help. I know ALPAshutusdown is one of them, right bud?
Old 09-07-2014 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
That's why I'm proud of the DFW guys running for SPA 77 rep positions. They've not joined any team but their own.
Agreed, +1
Old 09-07-2014 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer
Much less likely if the information is available rather than if not. Right? This is basic accountability, ethics and governance at ANY organization.
Yep, sure is.
Old 09-07-2014 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GetReal
*IMPORTANT SPIRITBOARD SIGNUP INFORMATION!*

From the newest iteration of the Whiner's (oops I mean alternative viewpoint) Cartel of Champions. Here's all you need to do to register:

"Important Registration Information:

Username: What you want to be displayed on the Board.

Email: Your Spirit E-Mail - IMPORTANT - Must be "[email protected]" to receive activation e-mail."


So let's get this straight...in order to start the activation process to scurry to the "anonymous" whiner board one MUST use their Spirit email address...you know...the one that happens to be your ID number, the ID number that corresponds to YOUR NAME.

Of course you can change it any time after activation...thanks whinerboard moderator, I'll get right on that!, I'll just go ahead, bury my head in the sand and keep my fingers crossed you're not that gentleman/lady on everyone's no-fly list, (or a communist ALPA Henchman)...and that you pinkie promise not to remember my ID number!

Get Real
So what is your point. Of course someone has to validate your credentials. I would rather have one person know who will protect it rather than fricken everyone right from the get-go. Geeez
Old 09-07-2014 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemonade
I would rather have one person know who will protect it rather than fricken everyone right from the get-go. Geeez
There's more to it than that.

Because you have to use your company e-mail to start the process, AND you have to supply your username, the company has the right to read ALL traffic within your company e-mail account. So, the company has the right to see you've registered, and knows your username.

Anyone who signs up for that forum is anonymous to their fellow users, but not to the moderator(s) ... AND Spirit Airlines.
Old 09-07-2014 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NedsKid
There's more to it than that.

Because you have to use your company e-mail to start the process, AND you have to supply your username, the company has the right to read ALL traffic within your company e-mail account. So, the company has the right to see you've registered, and knows your username.

Anyone who signs up for that forum is anonymous to their fellow users, but not to the moderator(s) ... AND Spirit Airlines.
Ok so then just ask the mod to change your user name and email once you are validated. Simple.

With the other board the company can always see what you are posting, all the time. Everyone knows that snitches show posts to management. Come on man. It's a no brainer.
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