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09-11-2014 | 02:38 PM
#8041
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Some of you guys are showing some real class............SMH
09-11-2014 | 02:46 PM
#8042
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This whole process of upcoming elections, the fight for control of the MEC by controlling LECs and therefore the negotiations committee, and on top of this pile of doodoo our contract. Old wounds, it will get worst.
Sad, but true.
Sad, but true.
09-11-2014 | 02:48 PM
#8043
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Good luck Cole,
The document that was posted was a Fed document, not my version of accounts.
Post your exonerations for your DUI, the lack of reporting, and the rejected excuse from the NTSB.
What was posted was a document from the government of your lack of ability to be honest and transparent, when you stated that was a basis of your campaign.
If you are so transparent, post your exonerations of your DUI, youy lack of reporting it, and your rejection from the NTSB for the basis for an untimely appeal.
If not, then admit you were less than candid and truthfull.
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5122.PDF
Here is this link, where is yours.
The document that was posted was a Fed document, not my version of accounts.
Post your exonerations for your DUI, the lack of reporting, and the rejected excuse from the NTSB.
What was posted was a document from the government of your lack of ability to be honest and transparent, when you stated that was a basis of your campaign.
If you are so transparent, post your exonerations of your DUI, youy lack of reporting it, and your rejection from the NTSB for the basis for an untimely appeal.
If not, then admit you were less than candid and truthfull.
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5122.PDF
Here is this link, where is yours.
09-11-2014 | 02:59 PM
#8044
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Yeah, that rep did such a great job when he left office he got a 6 year irrevocable leave of absence, to fly for China Eastern, don't imagine that was fun, where he got to accrue seniority and longevity. A deal I might add not available to any other Spirit Pilot. It was only available to himself and one other REP's and the NC Chairman. Who flew a BJJ in Israel and was sitting at home in FLL while we where walking the picket line. He returned to Spirit a few months after the strike. And as since gone back to American...
skybolt, keep your eye on the ball. they are trying to distract you. work the election. soon the party will be over for these bums
09-11-2014 | 03:11 PM
#8045
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From: Airbus Left
And to think I might have given you credit for actually being willing to have a real discussion.
Your comment about me and Herb and Goldstein shows your lack of grasp of anything of substance from that time period. JC came to town, and the four MEC members took advantage of that change to try and advance the pilots position, seven or eight months before I was anything but the last guy flying MD80's. It wasn't just Herb and Goldstein, it was both DTW Reps and both FLL reps. Reps doing the jobs they were elected to do. MEC Chairmen are not responsible for making policy nor decisions, they are administrators. MEC Chairmen only become dictators when their MEC's set them up to be dictators. You can't have it both ways, the elected reps are responsible no matter how much you want in to be otherwise. And let me remind you this, your DTW local attempted a recall of your FO rep in the fall of 2006 that was unsuccessful. UNSUCCESSFUL! That rep was pivotal in changing the SPA MEC from openly adversarial to Spirit to a working relationship, and he had enough support to withstand a recall.
You may wish for history to be remembered differently from what actually occurred, but wishing so doesn't make it so.
But at least your trying to move the group forward, we got that going for us!
Your comment about me and Herb and Goldstein shows your lack of grasp of anything of substance from that time period. JC came to town, and the four MEC members took advantage of that change to try and advance the pilots position, seven or eight months before I was anything but the last guy flying MD80's. It wasn't just Herb and Goldstein, it was both DTW Reps and both FLL reps. Reps doing the jobs they were elected to do. MEC Chairmen are not responsible for making policy nor decisions, they are administrators. MEC Chairmen only become dictators when their MEC's set them up to be dictators. You can't have it both ways, the elected reps are responsible no matter how much you want in to be otherwise. And let me remind you this, your DTW local attempted a recall of your FO rep in the fall of 2006 that was unsuccessful. UNSUCCESSFUL! That rep was pivotal in changing the SPA MEC from openly adversarial to Spirit to a working relationship, and he had enough support to withstand a recall.
You may wish for history to be remembered differently from what actually occurred, but wishing so doesn't make it so.
But at least your trying to move the group forward, we got that going for us!
You had my full support then, in the early days of JCs tenure. I knew Herb relatively well. But then the squabble started and instead of us against management, it became FLL pilots against DTW pilots. Union reps became very friendly with JC and team, too friendly for my taste.
Now that is just my perception, and many other's btw.
I remember I tried to talk to Herb about how important it was to stick together, he did not like to hear that.
Now I am worried that we again are going to possibly elect reps too concerned about their own local agenda. Are we going to end up spending most of our energy fighting each other, or are we going to stand together unified against our management?
All I have read so far from your candidates and supporters revolves around how bad and corrupt the current SPA ALPA leadership is (not much truth to that). Not much about how they plan on handling managements antics.
09-11-2014 | 03:27 PM
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You can have a real discussion with me, as long as you are respectful, truthful and do not try to misrepresent facts.
You had my full support then, in the early days of JCs tenure. I knew Herb relatively well. But then the squabble started and instead of us against management, it became FLL pilots against DTW pilots. Union reps became very friendly with JC and team, too friendly for my taste.
Now that is just my perception, and many other's btw.
I remember I tried to talk to Herb about how important it was to stick together, he did not like to hear that.
Now I am worried that we again are going to possibly elect reps too concerned about their own local agenda. Are we going to end up spending most of our energy fighting each other, or are we going to stand together unified against our management?
All I have read so far from your candidates and supporters revolves around how bad and corrupt the current SPA ALPA leadership is (not much truth to that). Not much about how they plan on handling managements antics.
You had my full support then, in the early days of JCs tenure. I knew Herb relatively well. But then the squabble started and instead of us against management, it became FLL pilots against DTW pilots. Union reps became very friendly with JC and team, too friendly for my taste.
Now that is just my perception, and many other's btw.
I remember I tried to talk to Herb about how important it was to stick together, he did not like to hear that.
Now I am worried that we again are going to possibly elect reps too concerned about their own local agenda. Are we going to end up spending most of our energy fighting each other, or are we going to stand together unified against our management?
All I have read so far from your candidates and supporters revolves around how bad and corrupt the current SPA ALPA leadership is (not much truth to that). Not much about how they plan on handling managements antics.
Excellent post.
09-11-2014 | 03:40 PM
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Meatballs is right, most of you are airing to the whole industry what a bunch of JV guys you actually are. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and let's act like a union. Management is gloating over this and is salivating at the thoughts of fracturing this union. We are at a critical place in this industry with all the hiring going on and achieving a decent contract. This place will have to cough up an acceptable contract to keep pilots here and not jump ship to a legacy that offers significantly more to much of our younger pilots.
I can say that by what I have read on this forum, most of the idiots that are constantly b1tching no matter what are the one percenters that came here at a time when no one else would hire them. Your voice is small, there are many new people on this seniority list that are smart and educated that will steer this ship in the right direction. So please stop your kindergarten bully campaign and let our NC do their job.
I can say that by what I have read on this forum, most of the idiots that are constantly b1tching no matter what are the one percenters that came here at a time when no one else would hire them. Your voice is small, there are many new people on this seniority list that are smart and educated that will steer this ship in the right direction. So please stop your kindergarten bully campaign and let our NC do their job.
09-11-2014 | 03:57 PM
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Another nice post!! We've turn the corner!!!
Moving on!
Retirement, pay, schedules.
Moving on!
Retirement, pay, schedules.
09-11-2014 | 04:00 PM
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Good luck Cole,
The document that was posted was a Fed document, not my version of accounts.
Post your exonerations for your DUI, the lack of reporting, and the rejected excuse from the NTSB.
What was posted was a document from the government of your lack of ability to be honest and transparent, when you stated that was a basis of your campaign.
If you are so transparent, post your exonerations of your DUI, youy lack of reporting it, and your rejection from the NTSB for the basis for an untimely appeal.
If not, then admit you were less than candid and truthfull.
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5122.PDF
Here is this link, where is yours.
The document that was posted was a Fed document, not my version of accounts.
Post your exonerations for your DUI, the lack of reporting, and the rejected excuse from the NTSB.
What was posted was a document from the government of your lack of ability to be honest and transparent, when you stated that was a basis of your campaign.
If you are so transparent, post your exonerations of your DUI, youy lack of reporting it, and your rejection from the NTSB for the basis for an untimely appeal.
If not, then admit you were less than candid and truthfull.
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/5122.PDF
Here is this link, where is yours.
09-11-2014 | 04:02 PM
#8050
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From: Airplane
Meatballs is right, most of you are airing to the whole industry what a bunch of JV guys you actually are. Grow up, put your big boy pants on and let's act like a union. Management is gloating over this and is salivating at the thoughts of fracturing this union. We are at a critical place in this industry with all the hiring going on and achieving a decent contract. This place will have to cough up an acceptable contract to keep pilots here and not jump ship to a legacy that offers significantly more to much of our younger pilots.
I can say that by what I have read on this forum, most of the idiots that are constantly b1tching no matter what are the one percenters that came here at a time when no one else would hire them. Your voice is small, there are many new people on this seniority list that are smart and educated that will steer this ship in the right direction. So please stop your kindergarten bully campaign and let our NC do their job.
I can say that by what I have read on this forum, most of the idiots that are constantly b1tching no matter what are the one percenters that came here at a time when no one else would hire them. Your voice is small, there are many new people on this seniority list that are smart and educated that will steer this ship in the right direction. So please stop your kindergarten bully campaign and let our NC do their job.
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