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Old 09-09-2014, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Balder View Post
Think he's referring to Graham, who I thought came here as a buddy of old D.O. JC from NWA. As I am sure you remember, we had a rough time under JC.
Long time ago, I'm sure Graham is no longer associating with that sleezy guy.
Well of course he was referring to Graham, in a sleazy attempt to smear Graham. But I've come to expect that kind of politics.

For anyone that cares, Graham is one of the few people who "never met a man he didn't like". He's friends with everyone and has very few if any enemies. But now that he decided to step up and serve his fellow pilots, you can expect the smear campaign to step up and attempt to knock Graham down. Don't fall for the smear tactics.

James, Ryan, do you condone the campaign being run on your behalf?
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Old 09-09-2014, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
Can someone give me a list of JC's crimes against the pilot group. I don't doubt anything but I just want to make sure I have a good list. I want to compare to the current 'team'.
Here is a list of some stuff. Some good, some bad. You be the judge as I am no fan of JC.

1. Allowed the MEC a formal seat on the new hire board.
2. Allowed the MEC a formal roll in the instructor review board. It was in the contract already just never enforced.
3. Three hour reserve call out
4. Issued a no reprisal letter to our ASAP program that never existed before.
5. Implemented SE Taxi
6. Formally allowed FOs to taxi from right seat with Captains permission
7. Added a warm up session to PCs
8. Allowed all pilots access to Miramar corporate side ( open door policy)
9. Did fire a few pilots
10. Did bring one back voluntarily without arbitration after a tail strike
11. Pay protected line pilots and removed from duty in home base when any management pilot flying
12. Allowed line pilots to fly delivery flights
13. Gave MEC use of an office in Miramar.
14. Physically moved crewpay to flight ops in an effort to resolve pay issues
15. Insisted that the chief pilots pay ALPA union dues from their CP pay.
16. Signed a LOA written my Matt Nowell giving us one of us the most liberal commuter policies in the industry.

Im sure I missed many.

Last edited by Orbit; 09-09-2014 at 06:34 PM. Reason: added # 16
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Old 09-09-2014, 05:59 PM
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JC? Wow, even forgot about that guy. When did he leave the VP/DO position here? 2008? 2009? Geez...Our former boss is long gone running another airline. Graham has no association to him today, and if he did, I don't think it would be anything related to Spirit Airlines or our workforce. But I get it, some are gonna try to make "guilty by long-time-ago-association-to-his-direct-boss" as an attack platform, huh? Classy...

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Old 09-09-2014, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post
Well of course he was referring to Graham, in a sleazy attempt to smear Graham. But I've come to expect that kind of politics.

For anyone that cares, Graham is one of the few people who "never met a man he didn't like". He's friends with everyone and has very few if any enemies. But now that he decided to step up and serve his fellow pilots, you can expect the smear campaign to step up and attempt to knock Graham down. Don't fall for the smear tactics.

James, Ryan, do you condone the campaign being run on your behalf?
Well said Skybolt!

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Old 09-09-2014, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Orbit View Post
Here is a list of some stuff. Some good, some bad. You be the judge as I am no fan of JC.

1. Allowed the MEC a formal seat on the new hire board.
2. Allowed the MEC a formal roll in the instructor review board. It was in the contract already just never enforced.
3. Three hour reserve call out
4. Issued a no reprisal letter to our ASAP program that never existed before.
5. Implemented SE Taxi
6. Formally allowed FOs to taxi from right seat with Captains permission
7. Added a warm up session to PCs
8. Allowed all pilots access to Miramar corporate side ( open door policy)
9. Did fire a few pilots
10. Did bring one back voluntarily without arbitration after a tail strike
11. Pay protected line pilots and removed from duty in home base when any management pilot flying
12. Allowed line pilots to fly delivery flights
13. Gave MEC use of an office in Miramar.
14. Physically moved crewpay to flight ops in an effort to resolve pay issues
15. Insisted that the chief pilots pay ALPA union dues from their CP pay.

Im sure I missed many.
Ok, and the bad?
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex View Post
Ok, and the bad?
You tell us...

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Old 09-09-2014, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer View Post
JC? Wow, even forgot about that guy. When did he leave the VP/DO position here? 2008? 2009? Geez...Our former boss is long gone running another airline. Graham has no association to him today, and if he did, I don't think it would be anything related to Spirit Airlines or our workforce. But I get it, some are gonna try to make "guilty by long-time-ago-association-to-his-direct-boss" as an attack platform, huh? Classy...

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The pilot group, except the old guard managers/training department members, loved JC when he first showed up. He cleaned out a corrupt crew scheduling team and generally moved us into the modern world in training, etc. His "sin" was that he was the first non-seniority list guy to come in and exert any real authority over the pilot group. Until then, we'd had a couple of guys (one ex Fed and one freight dog guy) hold upper lever management positions for brief periods of time, but they both were effectively just part of the existing management team - the good ol boy club.

JC came in and removed all of the old guard from both management and training. That created a LOT of enemies. Those enemies are still Spirit pilots, while JC went on to Atlas about six years ago. JC get's a bad rap around here; the real culprits to our misery were: 1. Indigo Partners becoming the controlling member of the ownership team (JC at once lost authority to do anything good that cost a penny) and 2. The world wide financial crisis that almost killed Spirit airlines.

I challenge all of you who hate JC, etc to compare your current position to one of say a Independence Air pilot. or maybe a Midway, or Midwest, or USA3000, or AccessAir, or a TransMeridian, or Vanguard, or ChampionAir, ProAir, or Pace Airlines, or any one of the airlines that failed to survive 2008. Your anger is misplaced. Our foe was not middle management, it was and is a down economy and ownerships draconian measures to keep us going.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post
I challenge all of you who hate JC, etc to compare your current position to one of say a Independence Air pilot. or maybe a Midway, or Midwest, or USA3000, or AccessAir, or a TransMeridian, or Vanguard, or ChampionAir, ProAir, or Pace Airlines, or any one of the airlines that failed to survive 2008. Your anger is misplaced. Our foe was not middle management, it was and is a down economy and ownerships draconian measures to keep us going.
You are right. BBB and JC kept the ship afloat when oil was at $147 and all the other small carriers were going bust. Painful, but we're still here.

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Old 09-10-2014, 09:08 AM
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Well the bad list includes after firing the "Old Guard" instructors giving slots to two of the 109 status Reps which was a little hard to take. Then he changed the block-out time from door close to wheel roll and took the 4 days off in August of 2008. JC as an honorable man? Please save that honk for somebody who wasn't here during his rein. Ask anybody who was around for it and they won't wax so longingly for his return. Oh also forgot the fuel savings plan which caused 3 fuel emergency's the first week. Any doubts ask his old buddy's at North West they mostly hated the guy. Oh let us not forget the closure of the DTW domicile while in bargaining to remove the council 018 rep's who where not given council bypass by the MEC at the time to just close down the domicile, which they never did...

Oh he was a friggin peach!!!!!!
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Old 09-10-2014, 10:46 AM
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So hopefully do you think we will get profit sharing or stock options in the next contract???
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