Why not call?, just call him and get an answer directly from him, we are just speculating here, and that's all you are gonna get from all of us.

 

This flaming political stuff is getting to be more stale than the peanuts on the flight deck floor. Does anybody know when the next new aircraft is coming from Airbus?

What's to do on an ACY layover (besides get mugged), for somebody who hasn't been there before?

 

It's because of the last few pages of this thread that I REFUSE to open a user account on the new boards. The old one was a miserable place to waste time, and it's spilling over here now.

As far as ACY, the boardwalk is a couple of blocks from the hotel, it should still be good for a weekend layover. Close to the hotel is a Tanger Outlet, and the TUN Tavern is attached to the hotel. Decent beer brewed in house.

 

When you have two councils and the reps from one refuse to do the pilots business because of personal difference issues, roll call is the only legit way to conduct said pilots business. Otherwise the pilots business goes undone. ALWAYS do your best to accomplish "what is in the best interests of the pilot group". Extra points given if you can name the rep who gave us that quote.

As far as your insinuation that using roll undermines credibility, I have to ask you this, "why were Council 109's choices for Negotiating Committee members not approved?"

 

When those deliveries slow down or stop, YOU
will be as worried about politics as the guys who got trapped by stagnation in 2002.

When that upgrade is running 18 months or so, nobody worries too much about details.

 

Yeah, I'm really not worried about that, or this tragic message board political drama. Everybody's situation is different, not all of us came here betting on a speculated upgrade time.

Have a good one!

 

Hey Slug, I appreciate that you are looking to see a little diversity on this thread and I support a bit more diverse discussion myself, but I would consider backing off of the "political drama" comments until you've been here long enough to not need to ask what to do on an ACY overnight. I was hired after the strike but have taken the time to listen to life pre-2010 and a lot of the political shenanigans that took place before, during, and after the last contract. Great you're not chasing the quick upgrade, however I'd be will to bet that there are plenty of things that you will care about in the up coming contact. Sorting things out and finding fair representation for each and ever one of us is very important, and learning the lessons of the past, of course continuing to critically think what you hear on a web board vs. face to face with the guys who went through the last round, is the only way we can avoid repeating mistakes. I think I've heard that somewhere before.

Anyway, rant over: You can kill hours on the boardwalk just people watching, especially on the weekends, and there is a free water laser show at the end of the shopping center pier that goes every hour. You will pay a premium if you go down there to eat though. Plenty of chain food between the hotel and Cesar's. The Italian joint about 2 blocks south of the hotel is pretty decent to hang out for the evening too.

Hope you have a great night too!

 

Speculating? What are you talking about? LEC 77 members were called and have been e-mailed numerous times! This is documented. Requests for a DFW meeting have been repeatedly denied by both the LEC and MEC. Our concerns have been simply ignored and dismissed. As it currently stands, they're carrying on with the original plan of holding a LAS meeting only. We all know this is not the right thing to do. Now let's rewind...
A LEC 77 meeting and vote to elect an interim captain rep was called to be held in Las Vegas AFTER the September bids were awarded. Why? Simple....to allow the current Secretary/Treasurer, R.P., on an off day to attend (and campaign) in addition to the outgoing captain rep and F/O reps that are also off that day. They sent this information out in a SPA77 mass email! Now wait a minute. How about pilots that are engaged in ALPA affairs that would also like to attend and express themselves via the voting process? We had no opportunity to even bid the day off! Is it about THEM or about US, huh?? R.P.'s email is nothing more than hypocritical political nonsense!
It's all about him...

 

Like I said previously, roll call is a legit means of conducting business when used judiciously. However, when used frequently as a means of forcing your will on the remainder of the MEC it's no good. Just because you (the figurative you) happen to have a large LEC, using roll call is tantamount to taking your ball and going home when you don't get your way.

As for the 109 choices.....I don't know, I'm not a member of the MEC. Although, I could speculate like many of the others around here and come up with a great conspiracy theory if you'd like?

 

What are you saying? That a large LEC should concede it's responsibility to its members just because the smaller LEC refuses to make any concessions on their part? If say, SPA77 has 70 members and SPA109 has 300 members(as was the case when 77 was started), do you believe that the 77 reps have equal say to the 109 reps if the 77 reps don't agree with 109? If that were the case, each 77 member has approx three times the vote of each 109 member.

We certainly agree that roll call voting in a MEC isn't the best way to accomplish the pilots business, but you seem to be bestowing an amount of respect and honor on the reps from the smaller Council just because they come from the smaller. IOW, you're assuming the the larger Council, or larger block of votes, is automatically wrong just because they are larger.

Roll call should be avoided, just as obstruction should be avoided. If we are going to condemn one practice, we should condemn both practices.

You don't have to come up with a conspiracy theory when you are explaining a known event. The SPA 109 reps attempted to install at least one member on the NC of their choosing and their choice was rejected. Under the system you would seem to espouse, that those holding the voting majority should not use that majority to force their will, the 109 Reps should have gotten their guy on the committee. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was politics.