For myself the company would have to drop a four day trip with pay protection and pay me an additional 20 hours of pay to do this at home. I wouldn't be surprised if the "2 days" takes closer to 4 days to complete. For those with kids closer to 6 days to complete. That is if they wanted my yes vote. As is no.

 

It would be nice to have iPad for Jep Charts and company publications. But, I am not willing to use my time off to do 18 hours of training for 10 hours of pay in exchange for 1 touch updates on an iPad. I am happy to do paper updates for the time being.

No for me.

 

My napkin math says this is at least a 1% concession. Assuming the company gains 2000 days average per year at 2 days per pilot for 1000 pilots. Some guys are already training on days off and many others are dropping more than two days of flying for it so we will use the two day average

2000 duty periods needs 9.25 extra pilots on staff to cover the flying assuming they all have a min day off schedule.

In a group of 1000 pilots that is about a 1% savings to the company.

Assuming we would take straight cash for those days 1% raise on a pilot making 72 hours every month is between 8-9hrs of extra pay from current book. We are getting 2 in this loa.

That also doesn't account for those that will be 9 pilots away from upgrade or a few from holding their base of choice or being furloughed by one class some day. I've been furloughed by one class before and it's a quite expensive and stressful time. I wouldn't wish that for anyone.

 

With all else equal, the company would still save money with going electronic. This LOA should be about the rules and protections involved with ipads only. Everything else can be addressed in the next contract. I will gladly do paper chart updates until Jepp stops printing them.

 

Don't you almost have to vote no regardless? Send a strong message that we aren't taking crap this Aug.

 

This to me is one of the best points so far.

This LOA sets the tone for negotiations and what we will view as acceptable for a new contract. It tells management that we will not accept substandard provisions, work rules, or pay and it tells the negotiating committee that we will not accept substandard LOAs or TAs.

 

Completely agree

 

The bottom line is: this is not a net gain for us. It is a wash somewhere between some pay loss for some convenience.

It is a serious gain for the company. Why are we voting yes on anything that is a wash for us and a gain for them? If we would have an industry leading contract I would consider a net wash vs net wash on both sides. I am a no also.

 

You want me to do 9 hours of work but you're only going to pay me for 5 hours.....? That's all I need to know. Why would any sensible person agree to that?

 

In all fairness you do 9 for 4hrs of pay now.