New hires are still averaging 5,500 hours. Yes, a few guys are lower time. I just had one on OE. Around 3,000 total time.

OE is being scheduled for 35 hours for upgrades and 30 for new hires. Not that it's far from 35 for both.

I must have misunderstood.

08-29-2016 | 10:27 AM

#2333

Duesenflieger

Ich bin Pilot von Beruf

Joined: Aug 2016

Posts: 615

Likes: 0

From: CRJ Kapitän

Quote:

Originally Posted by highflyer87

5,500 hours to make 35k. That's mind boggling.

I agree with you fully. Once in the past it had worked, but nowadays most regionals offer that much to start off, making LCCs which insist on such low compensation highly undesirable IMHO. However, what if someone wants to move out of the regionals and into a more stable airline? If the legacies are not calling, Spirit will have to suffice, I dare reckon.

08-29-2016 | 10:30 AM

#2334

Binksy

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jul 2014

Posts: 119

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by highflyer87

5,500 hours to make 35k. That's mind boggling.

A few years ago I believe you didn't do much better at the big 3 (I guess it was big 4 then) on first year pay. Hopefully Spirit's new contract will show improvement.

08-29-2016 | 11:00 AM

#2335

dn_wisconsin

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Sep 2005

Posts: 1,114

Likes: 0

From: A320 Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macjet

I must have misunderstood.

Nah, that's what we were taking about. It changed at the last minute. I know because I wrote the new OE workbook. It's in there. Added for leadership training.

08-29-2016 | 04:33 PM

#2336

Gunga Din

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jun 2015

Posts: 378

Likes: 0

From: A320 Right

2nd year at Southwest is about to go to $125/hr. Spirit FO's are at $72 and max out at $109. Hell, some of our captains don't even make 2nd year 737 pay. Think long and hard about coming here. We'd have to get an 75% raise just to match them. Think that's even in ask right now with this union?

08-29-2016 | 04:47 PM

#2337

Qotsaautopilot

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Oct 2010

Posts: 4,603

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunga Din

Is it $125/hr or $125/tfp which is how SW pays. $125/tfp = $143.75/Hr

08-29-2016 | 06:43 PM

#2338

Gunga Din

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jun 2015

Posts: 378

Likes: 0

From: A320 Right

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Is it $125/hr or $125/tfp which is how SW pays. $125/tfp = $143.75/Hr

I used the APC data $97/hr X 1.28. Your numbers make an even more pressing case that our leaders had better pull their head out of their arse and get after it. Or step aside.

08-29-2016 | 06:53 PM

#2339

Qotsaautopilot

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Oct 2010

Posts: 4,603

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunga Din

I used the APC data $97/hr X 1.28. Your numbers make an even more pressing case that our leaders had better pull their head out of their arse and get after it. Or step aside.

I haven't seen their TA. Is it $125tfp or something else?