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Old 05-26-2017 | 07:54 AM
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At this point, getting back to negotiations isn't happening either. With the mismanagement of this place, the operation will not return back to normal until the end of summer. Even bendo said the 4 day trips in open time are our fault. 4 day trips happen and sometimes end up in the open time. They could break the pairings so people could pick them up but they won't because they want the chaos. As of now, many people aren't even legal to pick them up. They don't want the operation to recover , so they can blame everything they have been so shortsighted about on the pilot group. They also get to delay negotiations because they blame us. So, for management, this is a win win scenario. Even if it costs the company money in the long run, they don't care. Long run losses for the company have no effect on short term bonuses for management.

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Old 05-26-2017 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by planepirate
this whole entire thing... The meltdown, the lawsuit, the tro, the letters that suddenly appear from a "caring" ceo, the wednesday podcast from bendo etc. It is all part of a negotiating strategy. They had that 200 pg document mostly finished prior to the first cancellation in early may. All strategy. This is what they want: Comments like yours show that it is working. First they create a division between us and other employees. Then division within our group.
stay united

watch this video: It is called "confessions of a union buster"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tagjii4cri4
exactly this!!!!
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Old 05-26-2017 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Squeaky banana
At this point, getting back to negotiations isn't happening either. With the mismanagement of this place, the operation will not return back to normal until the end of summer. Even bendo said the 4 day trips in open time are our fault. 4 day trips happen and sometimes end up in the open time. They could break the pairings so people could pick them up but they won't because they want the chaos. As of now, many people aren't even legal to pick them up. They don't want the operation to recover , so they can blame everything they have been so shortsighted about on the pilot group. They also get to delay negotiations because they blame us. So, for management, this is a win win scenario. Even if it costs the company money in the long run, they don't care. Long run losses for the company have no effect on short term bonuses for management.

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And we have an "association" not even willing to fight it.. I guess it's easier to threaten your membership into submitting??

What's really stupid is the result will be the same. Delay, delay, delay until it really is a cost neutral contract. Every year we have to ask for 10% more, and that figure came from the union. But hey, as long as the 1600 benefit the "55000" it's all good.

We certainly are managements wet dream!
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Old 05-26-2017 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bum Hands
How? lol I'd love to hear you try and explain this one.
100% of the "evidence" used by the company to get their TRO was harvested off of this website.

That TRO has "hurt the pilot group."

If you need that broken down in smaller words to make sense, well sorry bub. Can't help you.
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Old 05-26-2017 | 04:49 PM
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Old 05-26-2017 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bum Hands
Lmao and why don't you explain to us how the TRO "hurt the pilot group". And how people who have no verified employment at spirit posting on an anonymous Internet forum are the direct reason for the pilot group problem lol.
Ah, you know what? I see where I made an error.

You're an idiot.

Disregard. My bad. Carry on.
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Old 05-26-2017 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SourGrapes
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LOL I see what you did there.
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Old 05-26-2017 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bum Hands
Ah yes name calling. I see I struck a nerve with your inability to answer my question.
I answered you question on the last page. Maybe you no read good
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Old 05-26-2017 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I answered you question on the last page. Maybe you no read good
Lol... I guess people posting names and initials of employees that only another employee could get doesn't count for anything. Not only that if it proceeded further I'm sure the courts would reveal identities of the posters and such. But don't mind that. It's just s silly TRO according to him. No harm done right?
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Old 05-26-2017 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bum Hands
My god you guys are a bunch of pussies. With an attitude like that we don't deserve industry average pay.
Not average! STANDARD! There is a difference and it's not just pay.
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