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Old 08-28-2016 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Hiring a lot of charter guys recently. I guess no 121 pilots want to work here
Hmmmmm, 16 years 121, 21 total, Ive been applying for several windows and nada. Its not a lack of interest, its the wonderful HR model that has taken over pilot hiring.
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Old 08-28-2016 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lowandslow
Bottom of the barrel? So in your hierarchy of pilots regional FOs with <3000 hours are better than corporate pilots? Gotcha

Nope, I was responding to the implication they are hiring more 135 pilots because of a lack of 121 applicants.

Besides, my class had one regional FO who did not have prior 135 PIC, and he worked for three regionals over the past 10 years. If there are <3000 hour regional FO's getting hired here, I'm genuinely happy for them. However, they are not an example of the average new-hire...yet.
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Old 08-28-2016 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Where are you getting your data?

Allegiant just ordered 12 A320CEO aircraft and jetBlue 30 A321NEO for deliveries beginning in 2019. Airbus year to date (Jan 1-Jul 31) delivered 280 A320 family airplanes (2 319CEO, 153 320CEO, 11 320 NEO, 114 320CEO) and the Mobile, AL plant isn't even running at full capacity yet.

Not saying you're wrong but curious where you get 'many years out' numbers from.
Tuesday, European aerospace giant Airbus EADSY -0.25% announced it had drummed up 1,036 plane orders last year, figure that has the company soundly beating rival Boeing BA -0.56% in 2015. Pushing Airbus’s total order backlog to a record-setting 6,787 aircraft, the new orders mean the company has roughly $1 trillion dollars worth of new airplanes slated for delivery over the next decade.
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Old 08-28-2016 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by silver fleet
Hmmmmm, 16 years 121, 21 total, Ive been applying for several windows and nada. Its not a lack of interest, its the wonderful HR model that has taken over pilot hiring.
If you think Spirit's hiring is based on an "HR model" you're sorely mistaken.
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Old 08-28-2016 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
.....If you really want to be at Spirit it is a small price to pay.
And Spirit pays an even smaller price to have you fly their pax around. Lol

I hope no one is coming here thinking that we will have a new contract soon. Management made it clear they plan to let mediation takes its course, which means they'll drag it out as long as possible.
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Old 08-28-2016 | 06:55 PM
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How much is training pay? Single or double occupancy during training? Is there AQP?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-28-2016 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stanthecaddy
How much is training pay? Single or double occupancy during training? Is there AQP?

Thanks in advance.
$1750/month. Single occupancy. No AQP unfortunately.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Phteven
What constitutes "a lot"? My class of twelve had one corporate jet 135 guy. Everyone else was regional or heavy air cargo 121.

Don't get me wrong, there are many things that need to improve here, but I don't see how we've gotten to the point where we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. There are still lots of good guys and gals coming online here.
I flew a line check last week. I specifically asked the check airmen how the new guys were doing. He said he has seen no degradation in the quality of the candidate since the times were lowered. He did say that IOE and CUG OE were extended to 35 hours for both.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Phteven
Nope, I was responding to the implication they are hiring more 135 pilots because of a lack of 121 applicants.

Besides, my class had one regional FO who did not have prior 135 PIC, and he worked for three regionals over the past 10 years. If there are <3000 hour regional FO's getting hired here, I'm genuinely happy for them. However, they are not an example of the average new-hire...yet.
My bad connected the paragraphs.
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Old 08-29-2016 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
I flew a line check last week. I specifically asked the check airmen how the new guys were doing. He said he has seen no degradation in the quality of the candidate since the times were lowered. He did say that IOE and CUG OE were extended to 35 hours for both.
New hires are still averaging 5,500 hours. Yes, a few guys are lower time. I just had one on OE. Around 3,000 total time.

OE is being scheduled for 35 hours for upgrades and 30 for new hires. Not that it's far from 35 for both.
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