Spirit Airlines current hiring
10-09-2017, 03:03 PM
#3861
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Originally Posted by Mozekian
That is far from accurate.
Applicants are drying up. As they continue to dry up, Spirit will continue to lower their mins to fill classes. As they lower their mins to fill classes, failures will increase and increase, to the point the training department is backlogged with retraining etc. after failures and extra training required for others.
On the other end we have more and more pilots leaving on a weekly basis. So the company needs to churn pilots out of training to replace those leaving and staff for growth. You can't do that when half a class fails their oral (true).
Its simple to just say "well, they will continue to hire and fill classes because someone will always want to come here. Truth is, like everything else at Spirit, it doesn't take much to knock the train off the track and derail the operation. Having a backlogged training system because of failures in ground, oral, sims, OE, and then requiring more training WHILE the company tries to hire double the standard amount and the most they have ever tried to train in a month. How do you really think this will end up? Choo Choo train will go of the tracks, no doubt.
Applicants are drying up. As they continue to dry up, Spirit will continue to lower their mins to fill classes. As they lower their mins to fill classes, failures will increase and increase, to the point the training department is backlogged with retraining etc. after failures and extra training required for others.
On the other end we have more and more pilots leaving on a weekly basis. So the company needs to churn pilots out of training to replace those leaving and staff for growth. You can't do that when half a class fails their oral (true).
Its simple to just say "well, they will continue to hire and fill classes because someone will always want to come here. Truth is, like everything else at Spirit, it doesn't take much to knock the train off the track and derail the operation. Having a backlogged training system because of failures in ground, oral, sims, OE, and then requiring more training WHILE the company tries to hire double the standard amount and the most they have ever tried to train in a month. How do you really think this will end up? Choo Choo train will go of the tracks, no doubt.
10-09-2017, 08:28 PM
#3862
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
Bull $hit!! There are good regionals and $hitty ones. Spirit is a lot better than the $hitty regionals. Spirit will not have a problem filling classes.. too many $hitty regionals, Coorporate, and charters jobs. When you guys sign a good contract (which you will!) you'll have 100 times as many applicants.
Good regional vs bad regional means as much as your opinion, nothing. Experienced pilots aren’t coming here, if they were, we wouldn’t have cut the mins in half the last 2 years. So inexperience comes and failures increase. Not rocket science.
10-10-2017, 04:28 AM
#3863
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Originally Posted by Mozekian
Wake up, child. People wanting to come here and people passing training in numbers to fill growth and attrition without backlogging training up is another issue alll together.
Good regional vs bad regional means as much as your opinion, nothing. Experienced pilots aren’t coming here, if they were, we wouldn’t have cut the mins in half the last 2 years. So inexperience comes and failures increase. Not rocket science.
Good regional vs bad regional means as much as your opinion, nothing. Experienced pilots aren’t coming here, if they were, we wouldn’t have cut the mins in half the last 2 years. So inexperience comes and failures increase. Not rocket science.
4,000 to 3,000 which is 25 % cut (which is higher than AA, DA, and UA requirements). I know a few guys from my previous employeer who went to Spirit, all were experiences. What's your definition of inexperienced? Why is it EVERY other airline hires low time pilots and yet has a zero (less than 1%) failure rate? Ehh child wake up! Take a look at your POOP training department! I've mentioned this before.. You guys are hiring ground school instructors with 2 years of CFI experience and an aviation degree!! Perhaps a better structured training program with some "experiences" instructors would do the trick!
You're right my opinion doesn't matter!
10-10-2017, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Training program is weak
Mins are 2000 not 3000
Legacies only hire mil guys with low time.
Mins are 2000 not 3000
Legacies only hire mil guys with low time.
Legacy: AA average street new hire TT 3600.
Based on Who's been Hired Threat (civilian):
Delta mid 2,000
SWA mid 3,000
United as low as 1,500
Hawaiian low 3,000
Point is everyone hires/has hired pilots with low time or as Mr. Mozekian would say "inexperienced pilots".
10-10-2017, 06:23 AM
#3866
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
Preferred mins are 3,000.
Legacy: AA average street new hire TT 3600.
Based on Who's been Hired Threat (civilian):
Delta mid 2,000
SWA mid 3,000
United as low as 1,500
Hawaiian low 3,000
Point is everyone hires/has hired pilots with low time or as Mr. Mozekian would say "inexperienced pilots".
Legacy: AA average street new hire TT 3600.
Based on Who's been Hired Threat (civilian):
Delta mid 2,000
SWA mid 3,000
United as low as 1,500
Hawaiian low 3,000
Point is everyone hires/has hired pilots with low time or as Mr. Mozekian would say "inexperienced pilots".
Haha. “Preferred mins”. You were shown to be wrong and then you say “preferred mins”.
Mins have been cut in half. Fact.
Low time isn’t the same as experience or qualifications. Pilots with low time but high qualifications and a clean record aren’t coming to Spirit.
It’s clear you’re just offended because you are a lower time pilot and believe your abilities are adaquate enough, so I won’t go back and forth with you.
10-10-2017, 06:41 AM
#3867
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Originally Posted by Mozekian
Haha. “Preferred mins”. You were shown to be wrong and then you say “preferred mins”.
Mins have been cut in half. Fact.
Low time isn’t the same as experience or qualifications. Pilots with low time but high qualifications and a clean record aren’t coming to Spirit.
It’s clear you’re just offended because you are a lower time pilot and believe your abilities are adaquate enough, so I won’t go back and forth with you.
Mins have been cut in half. Fact.
Low time isn’t the same as experience or qualifications. Pilots with low time but high qualifications and a clean record aren’t coming to Spirit.
It’s clear you’re just offended because you are a lower time pilot and believe your abilities are adaquate enough, so I won’t go back and forth with you.
10-10-2017, 07:24 AM
#3868
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
Preferred mins are 3,000.
Legacy: AA average street new hire TT 3600.
Based on Who's been Hired Threat (civilian):
Delta mid 2,000
SWA mid 3,000
United as low as 1,500
Hawaiian low 3,000
Point is everyone hires/has hired pilots with low time or as Mr. Mozekian would say "inexperienced pilots".
Legacy: AA average street new hire TT 3600.
Based on Who's been Hired Threat (civilian):
Delta mid 2,000
SWA mid 3,000
United as low as 1,500
Hawaiian low 3,000
Point is everyone hires/has hired pilots with low time or as Mr. Mozekian would say "inexperienced pilots".
Yes, the legacies have a different training program that can compensate for lower time. AQP is a very long and metered process with multiple Validation phases. You only have to focus on one Phase at a time over a 3-4 month period. Spirit is a fire hose that requires you to constantly study material from multiple phases all at once in a 6 week footprint.
10-10-2017, 07:33 AM
#3869
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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
You seem to keep missing the link between lesser experienced pilots being hired and a Training Program designed for higher experienced pilots.
Yes, the legacies have a different training program that can compensate for lower time. AQP is a very long and metered process with multiple Validation phases. You only have to focus on one Phase at a time over a 3-4 month period. Spirit is a fire hose that requires you to constantly study material from multiple phases all at once in a 6 week footprint.
Yes, the legacies have a different training program that can compensate for lower time. AQP is a very long and metered process with multiple Validation phases. You only have to focus on one Phase at a time over a 3-4 month period. Spirit is a fire hose that requires you to constantly study material from multiple phases all at once in a 6 week footprint.
Master Mozekian is claiming that no one with experience is going to Spirt. I think he's full of POOP. I believe you guys are getting good/qualified/experienced applicant. Unfortunately the training program you guys have is very different from every other airline and guys are failing. I would love to see Spirits hiring demographics. I would bet a good % of the guys have good amount time and experience.
Last few guys who posted on "Who's Been Hired?"
TT-2700, 1,200 Turbine
TT- 4700, 2550 TPIC, Degree
Last edited by CRJoperator; 10-10-2017 at 07:47 AM.
10-10-2017, 07:41 AM
#3870
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
That's exactly what I'm saying. Candidates are not to blame (fully) but rather the training program. Master Mozekian is claiming that no one with experience is going to Spirt. I think he's full of POOP. I believe you guys are getting good/qualified/experienced applicant. Unfortunately the training program you guys have is very different from every other airline and guys are failing. I would love to see Spirits hiring demographics. I would bet a good % of the guys have good amount time and experience.
Just 4 years ago every guy in my class at Spirit had over 8,000 TT and 5,000+ TPIC. Most were long time Regional Captains or guys with Heavy International experience (Ex-World, Evergreen and North American).
Now they have reduced the mins and started hiring a much less experienced candidate on average.
It's apparent that these two different types of candidate handle the SAME Spirit Training program with a very different success rate.
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