Originally Posted by A320ULCC

Yeah, I could tell. When you all were at your regional airline, did it insult the lifers there as well as others seeking to get out just because you wanted to improve your financial situation and job security? You all just need to quit being so sensitive.
Not saying it is a bad place to be at all, it is actually a good place with good people. But when you compare what is being negotiated and what other airlines are getting, it starts to have diminishing returns by staying and working here unless we are compensated competitively with our peers. You all are smart, run the numbers in retirement alone and look at the difference. Many of you that where insulted are in your early 30's. Keep in mind that you need anywhere from $300k-$1,000,000 at retirement just for healthcare issues. After that you are going to need your retirement money to live off of. A 9% match is going to be a struggle to get you there.
When I jump seat offline and other pilots cringe about Spirit and pay rates, I don't get all upset like many on here do about being "insulted" I sit and completely agree with them it needs a lot of work to bring us up to industry standards. With what I have been hearing, we are still going to be discounted. Now do we suck it up to get a contract right away or do we fight for three to five years for better pay and benefits and give up those years of increased compensation?

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Why does everyone assume you have to give up work rules to get pay and retirement? Red and green is the main work rule that allows you this "flexibility" everyone talks about. That's not going anywhere. 4 days off? Not going anywhere. Outside of that what is it? Transition conflict? They are already eliminating much of that by trying to give away 29/7. Also the transition language is getting less and less useful as planing gets more savy at putting trips on top of what you drop in the conflict.

Besides red/green and 4 days off what are these amazing work rules everyone speaks of because those aren't going away but do you think you should be making half of what your peers make to have them?

Originally Posted by RalphWiggum

You'll see a change in the retirement here. Everyone has their own reasons for where they want to work and what's best for their family but purely chasing pay rates around the industry historically doesn't work as good as it seems on paper.