A couple of points if you will:

1. The lines are built according to the CBA, and the FAR's and Spirit's monetary mandate. Neither GH or any other ALPA volunteer can do enough with the scheduling software to make our lines suitable to the majority.

2. ALPA is making a mistake in even allowing our guys to "build" lines. I know that the true volunteers believe that they are in some way able to improve the lines, but considering the restraints they are forced to follow I seriously doubt it. Here's the point, we are now discussing a long time pilot volunteer and people are ****ed at him. We need to be ****ed at the company, they set the parameters for line builds, not that pilot volunteer.

3. GH is number one in base, he'll likely get a conflict regardless of who builds the lines. Let's be ****ed at the parameters the lines are forced to follow please - see #2!

4. Trashing the flying skills of a fellow pilot on a public forum is really not cool. Political differences are one thing, safety really should be off limits.

 

True, trashing flying skills is not cool. Neither is filing asaps.

So, you're telling me he doesn't and isn't able to do much with schedules, benefits with 12 days of conflict every month, then alpa drops the middle trip to sit in FLL, and also brags on the employee bus about the sweet deals he's getting from scheduling.. And you're ok with all that?

 

Of course he's ok with it. He's "senior" and probably gets annoyed when people mention "Slope".

I do however agree with everything else he's said

 

As long as that's what you indicated, I'm cool with that. I have the sneaky suspicion that many indicated that they wanted to have their cake & eat it too, but NOT what their bottom line really is in the survey.

 

The lines are built early in the month so, if GH is getting a transition drop Spirit would be paying for him to line build. Not ALPA. Additionally, the scheduling committee only builds the lines (puts the pairings together to form a trip). Spirit has total control over pairing construction. If the pairings are crap so too will be the lines.

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VegassBus, please don't be taken in by rumor and gossip. Had we flown together, you'd know that I am one of the most vocal names calling for the elimination of the ridiculous difference between bottom and top pay in our scale.

Here's what I tell everyone when this subject arises, "There is no difference in either the responsibility nor completion standards of a first year Captain or a 15th year Captain. I believe that we should have no more than 10 to 15 percent difference between bottom and top. I also want the slope to be linear - no steps in the middle like we have now"

As a former corporate Co-Captain, I'd even be willing to accept Co Captains. Once you've reached a certain (we can work out the necessary timeline later) level of experience at Spirit, you make Captain. This is not unprecedented. I doubt that it would ever happen, but I would support such an arrangement.

You might be surprised to find that some of the people you've been told are your enemy are not. FWIW, I was junior at Spirit a LOT longer than any post strike hire will ever be. Remember, we're all in this together.

 

Weren't you a 9 month DC-9 upgrade/test pilot?

 

U guys are the biggest whiners ever...seriously

 

No 9 month upgrade. 19 month actually. Didn't hold a flying Captain line til August 2004. All of the test flying was done because I was on reserve.

IOW, I sat Capt reserve from Jan 1, 2002 (when I got back to the left seat after Sept 11) until I medical'd out in 03. Still sat reserve a few months after returning to flying in Sept/Oct 04. I sat 7 months FO reserve, and (medical leave notwithstanding) Capt reserve for over 30 months. Yes, I was junior longer than anyone hired post strike.

Junior in the seat still equals junior.

Do you have anything meaningful to add?

Were you one of the FO's who passed over upgrade and let it fall to me? If so, you've no one to blame but yourself. I bid first available and got it. You guys let it fall to me, I didn't reach up and take it from you. And I got bumped back as soon as you changed your mind after Sept 11th. Sorry to mess up your narrative.

If the company would publish the bid awards, I'd leave this be.....

 

Oh oh oh, I want in the complain train too, 5 yr FO here, where was my 3 yr upgrade? Why do I have 390 guys senior to me, not fare , they make more than I do not fare,


@@@ IS THIS !, what's gonna be next? I don't get to fly the new 21s with the "big winglets", I do too many red eyes!!, he gets too many conflicts! .

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