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Old 11-24-2015 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I plead the 5th



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Hheheheh =) We missed ya
Old 11-24-2015 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
You settle for middle of the pack today you will be at the bottom again tomorrow....
That about sums it all up. Keep this fact in mind when evaluating the ever-imminent TA.
Old 11-24-2015 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
No cannot pattern bargain off of agreements that don't exist yet but you can off of what's out there currently. It's called raising the bar not coming up half way to it. You go for industry leading now because hopefully another group will pattern off of you and bring up the bar again. You settle for middle of the pack today you will be at the bottom again tomorrow instead of the middle which is where you would be if you were at the top today. Let's stop riding everyone coat tails hoping to be 5th best and instead try being leaders for once.
Industry leading was never the stated goal of this process going on how many months now. Have you been listening?
Old 11-24-2015 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I wonder if they really believe we will have a deal by the end of the next round of meetings with the company.

(Long time lurker, first time post )
They believed they would have a contract last spring when they reduced amendable sections down to four. According to them we are in overtime.
Old 11-24-2015 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
Industry leading was never the stated goal of this process going on how many months now. Have you been listening?
We've been listening. But has the NC been listening to us, i.e., the pilot surveys? Or was that just an exercise?
Old 11-24-2015 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GoMountaineers
We've been listening. But has the NC been listening to us, i.e., the pilot surveys? Or was that just an exercise?
I think the "material gap" statement in the last NC update illustrates that pay is still very much up for negotiation. Maybe a preliminary pay scale was TA'd but has since been reopened due to feedback from our pilot group. The NC knows the rates, we don't. But they do know our overall mood with how we should be compensated and are responding accordingly. It's better for them to take the required time to get a TA that can be ratified vs one that will swiftly be shot down.
Old 11-24-2015 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
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Haha...well....nuff said.
Old 11-24-2015 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamers
I think the "material gap" statement in the last NC update illustrates that pay is still very much up for negotiation. Maybe a preliminary pay scale was TA'd but has since been reopened due to feedback from our pilot group. The NC knows the rates, we don't. But they do know our overall mood with how we should be compensated and are responding accordingly. It's better for them to take the required time to get a TA that can be ratified vs one that will swiftly be shot down.
I'm thinking there's maybe 8-10 guys that are active on this board and while I'm sure the union and management are following this board, I don't know if this board fully represents the pilot group.
Old 11-24-2015 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamers
The NC knows . . . our overall mood with how we should be compensated and are responding accordingly.
Let's hope, on both counts.
Old 11-24-2015 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
I'm thinking there's maybe 8-10 guys that are active on this board...
Yes, but at the end of the day ShyGuy still can't cast a vote so really it's more like 7-9 active participants in this thread...
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