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Old 02-12-2016 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng
Yes it does, but I'm man enough to admit I can be douchey at times, and self defecating.
It never once denied I'm a Dbag. Call me a Dbag for my grammar if you wish, but don't call me one for demanding we get a fair contract soon. The profits the airlines are making now is because of low oil. Demand is weakening and if we don't get something soon, I'm afraid we will be negotiating in a much different economy relatively soon
Old 02-12-2016 | 08:30 AM
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Hey, let's all just get along and pretend we received a 21% PS check!

Because I'm guessing the db's that filed their own flight plans are doing this!
Old 02-12-2016 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
Holy S-------

How am I the only one this outraged.


The N/C has ZERO, I REPEAT ZERO plans to fix the slope.

Mark my words they will not fix jack ****. The only way it will be fixed is when upgrades come to a stop. Then and ONLY THEN will they fix the junior rates because they will become

Wait for it............ Wait for it..........



GHOST RATES.


Peace. I'll come back on when we get a contract in 2020 to say I told ya so. (Hopefully from the seat of an airline that actually pays pilots and doesn't constantly try and F----- them

Bye Felicia
Old 02-12-2016 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by A320ULCC
True^^^^^^^

The only thing to take into account is that the bulk of seniority of this group is around the 5 year mark. When a contract is presented to the group, everyone will be able to voice their opinion by how they vote. If a B6 3 year 190 Capt is making more than our 5 year 320 Capts, that is certainly going to be an issue which is both insulting and a no vote for many.
While it is true that many knew the pay rates, upgrade times and the amendable date of the contract, there is nothing wrong with demanding industry std with our peers such as B6.
Your goal is Jetblue today? Cmon man. They are negotiating too. Are you ready to live under a contract for 10 years that looks just as pathetic as our current one. That's what Jetblue today will look like in a year. If we seriously have guys that think that is a good deal we have bigger problems than I thought.
Old 02-12-2016 | 11:05 AM
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I understand Fornaro is our new CEO, however he has been on the board for well over a year correct? Is this N/C week long meeting just updating the new CEO? I mean he should already be well up to speed on the negotiations.

I really really hope we get something better this time around than "progress was made but significant gaps remain".

I also don't understand how it seems like Bendo meets with the AFA 2-3x a month? It would be nice if he met with our N/C this much to hammer this thing out
Old 02-12-2016 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I understand Fornaro is our new CEO, however he has been on the board for well over a year correct? Is this N/C week long meeting just updating the new CEO? I mean he should already be well up to speed on the negotiations.

I really really hope we get something better this time around than "progress was made but significant gaps remain".

I also don't understand how it seems like Bendo meets with the AFA 2-3x a month? It would be nice if he met with our N/C this much to hammer this thing out
Listening to the conference call the other day, it really didn't seem like Fornaro knew too much about our negotiations. He looked to Bendo to bail him out on the question.
Old 02-12-2016 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Listening to the conference call the other day, it really didn't seem like Fornaro knew too much about our negotiations. He looked to Bendo to bail him out on the question.
That's pretty frustrating. Thanks though
Old 02-12-2016 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Listening to the conference call the other day, it really didn't seem like Fornaro knew too much about our negotiations. He looked to Bendo to bail him out on the question.
I would totally agree, that's what it sounded like to me on the call.
Old 02-12-2016 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
I would totally agree, that's what it sounded like to me on the call.
I would totally disagree... He gave the corporate line, it is not in his perview at this point to show and or talk about forward guidance that increases casm. And "John" was playing his role
Old 02-12-2016 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hugedouche
I would totally disagree... He gave the corporate line, it is not in his perview at this point to show and or talk about forward guidance that increases casm. And "John" was playing his role
Disagree. He mentioned keeping 319s or more accurately smaller gauge aircraft for small-medium sized markets, that would change CASM, he mentioned decreasing aircraft utilization and increasing aircraft spares, these all have effects on costs. I would say he very much talked about forward guidance.

As far as pilot costs on CASM, they do have an effect, but the effect is not as pronounced as the "perceived" effect they'll have. Not even close. I truly think he hasn't been brought up to speed on current pilot contract negotiations, this is probably understandable.
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