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Old 02-15-2016 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Uhhhh, I'll take a WAG....


NOTHING...

Didn't you guys constantly bust his balls just about every time he put out a recording? What would you like to hear?

We are not at the table and haven't been for 2 months. A survey is out, the union meets with the company on the 22nd, the company is sending it's negotiators.

Wear your lanyard.

By what's happening I was referring to a P2P guy coming here and looking for info. It's all upside-down. This stuff will get out of control. It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to get through it.
Old 02-15-2016 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
By what's happening I was referring to a P2P guy coming here and looking for info. It's all upside-down. This stuff will get out of control. It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to get through it.

Hang on. It's not that I was looking for "info", just wondering why such a drastic change in perception. One week we're "close to a deal", the next week we're potentially years away
Old 02-15-2016 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
Hang on. It's not that I was looking for "info", just wondering why such a drastic change in perception. One week we're "close to a deal", the next week we're potentially years away
We were never close to a deal! JA lied to us!
Old 02-15-2016 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Yeah, and we could be destroyed overnight by a troop of zombie howler monkeys that rode in on an asteroid.
I hope that you have a zombie howler monkey gun because a mediator walking away has already happened. Twice. At least.
Old 02-15-2016 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sgt98c
I hope that you have a zombie howler monkey gun because a mediator walking away has already happened. Twice. At least.
Yep, I'm ready for that! Darn NRA, it's just too easy!

I think we have a better case.

How does any group make gains then?
Old 02-15-2016 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Yep, I'm ready for that! Darn NRA, it's just too easy!

I think we have a better case.

How does any group make gains then?
No gains are made. Nothing happens. Hence the use of "no mans land." Eventually, the nmb must be convinced to send a negotiator back. Truly sir, I hope that we never get that far. Patience, unity and honest communication will see us through this bs. Personally, I'm betting on 5 years. I hope I'm wrong.
Old 02-15-2016 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
By what's happening I was referring to a P2P guy coming here and looking for info. It's all upside-down. This stuff will get out of control. It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to get through it.
Man, you're killing it with the classics today!

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Old 02-15-2016 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sgt98c
No gains are made. Nothing happens. Hence the use of "no mans land." Eventually, the nmb must be convinced to send a negotiator back. Truly sir, I hope that we never get that far. Patience, unity and honest communication will see us through this bs. Personally, I'm betting on 5 years. I hope I'm wrong.
I just don't understand why it can't be done sooner. Very frustrating considering the money our peers are making and the environment we are in
Old 02-15-2016 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I just don't understand why it can't be done sooner. Very frustrating considering the money our peers are making and the environment we are in
You do understand who we work for, correct? For some reason some of us think we work for decent management and go above and beyond for this company. Once we all accept that isn't true and stop doing more than our job..then maybe it will happen sooner. But, we've given them no reason to give us a deal sooner time and time again. Give me a respectable TA and I'll gladly go above and beyond!
Old 02-15-2016 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I just don't understand why it can't be done sooner. Very frustrating considering the money our peers are making and the environment we are in
I'm with you on this. Problem 1, we have a hostile mgmt that has zero incentive to get this done. Currently we are a known, low cost. Keeping it that way is good for the shareholders.
Problem 2, time is on their side. Chances are, our negotiating position will deteriorate over time.
Problem 3, we have zero leverage. Release, which I highly doubt, is years away. Over time, we lose money and they gain. Full retro pay? When was the last time that happened? Northwest, I believe.
Grit your teeth, it's goin' in dry.
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