Spirit of NKS, Part II
05-01-2016, 09:48 AM
#5741
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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Originally Posted by illtake2
If two ALPA carriers merge, they have to agree on integration or it goes to an arbitrator. 99.9% of the time it goes to arbitration. An arbitrator isn't influenced by fancy lawyers, you state facts and they create the law. Ask republic how their last merger went with frontier Midwest and Lynx? That's with fancy lawyers representing us, I am not a teamster fan, I was just point out facts, something this forum doesn't like to acknowledge.
Can our MEC not outline career expectations? There are only a few people in the US that can arbitrate integrations, you don't think they have heard it all? I have been through a merger, have you?
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Can our MEC not outline career expectations? There are only a few people in the US that can arbitrate integrations, you don't think they have heard it all? I have been through a merger, have you?
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An arbitrator is a judge. Are you seriously taking the extremely misguided position that a judge's opinion can not be swayed by the argument made by a lawyer?
Maybe Republic got spanked in their merger because you had cruddy lawyers; but that doesn't make sense to you because all lawyers are equal in your mind an unable to present a compelling argument to a arbitrator (judge).
You are a new FO here and looking at a 4-5 year upgrade at least anyways. Pay your $30 and maybe you will still see the left seat if we merger in the next 4-5 years. Cant believe you don't realize that you may be in the right seat for a LONG time if a merger goes bad and odds are, we will merger before you upgrade in 2020.
....wait....you dont think its 2.5 year upgrade or a 3 year for you...do you..please tell me Jyri didn't sell you on that.
I've schooled you enough today. Pay your $30 and be quiet, you don't like it, i'm sure Republic is hiring. God I love the fact you have zero say in the assessment being taken out of your check and I hope you get angry every time you see that $30 being taken out, furiously angry
05-01-2016, 10:29 AM
#5742
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Is it a one time 30.00 fee or what?
05-01-2016, 10:30 AM
#5743
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Posts: 110
Originally Posted by The Juice
You cant be this clueless...you seriously cant.
An arbitrator is a judge. Are you seriously taking the extremely misguided position that a judge's opinion can not be swayed by the argument made by a lawyer?
Maybe Republic got spanked in their merger because you had cruddy lawyers; but that doesn't make sense to you because all lawyers are equal in your mind an unable to present a compelling argument to a arbitrator (judge).
You are a new FO here and looking at a 4-5 year upgrade at least anyways. Pay your $30 and maybe you will still see the left seat if we merger in the next 4-5 years. Cant believe you don't realize that you may be in the right seat for a LONG time if a merger goes bad and odds are, we will merger before you upgrade in 2020.
....wait....you dont think its 2.5 year upgrade or a 3 year for you...do you..please tell me Jyri didn't sell you on that.
I've schooled you enough today. Pay your $30 and be quiet, you don't like it, i'm sure Republic is hiring. God I love the fact you have zero say in the assessment being taken out of your check and I hope you get angry every time you see that $30 being taken out, furiously angry
An arbitrator is a judge. Are you seriously taking the extremely misguided position that a judge's opinion can not be swayed by the argument made by a lawyer?
Maybe Republic got spanked in their merger because you had cruddy lawyers; but that doesn't make sense to you because all lawyers are equal in your mind an unable to present a compelling argument to a arbitrator (judge).
You are a new FO here and looking at a 4-5 year upgrade at least anyways. Pay your $30 and maybe you will still see the left seat if we merger in the next 4-5 years. Cant believe you don't realize that you may be in the right seat for a LONG time if a merger goes bad and odds are, we will merger before you upgrade in 2020.
....wait....you dont think its 2.5 year upgrade or a 3 year for you...do you..please tell me Jyri didn't sell you on that.
I've schooled you enough today. Pay your $30 and be quiet, you don't like it, i'm sure Republic is hiring. God I love the fact you have zero say in the assessment being taken out of your check and I hope you get angry every time you see that $30 being taken out, furiously angry
Ok internet tough guy, I'll make this quick so your mom can use the computer in the living room.
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...-Feb.-2015.pdf
That is a link to the Arbitrator who was in charge of the Republic, Midwest, Frontier, Lynx merger. If you look closely he is a lawyer, not a judge. Making $2,800 a day, we should have been lawyers. Semantics because he is kind of like a judge in the since he makes a ruling and we have to obey it.
Next we will look at the Lawyer we will hire for a merger probably Bill Wilder because he is "the best of the best,". We may use somebody else but they will have the same promise of providing same outcome as somebody else. Do we to spend thousands of dollars an hour to present our case or can we do this with our elected professionals.
http://www3.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?...%3D&tabid=3345
That is a link to the ALPA-ALPA merger policy, it basically states figure it out on your own, if not go to arbitration. One side will always feel it is getting screwed so it will go to arbitration. Again our lawyer will bring up the same facts as their lawyer and the LAWYER/Arbitrator will come down with a decision. Shouldn't ALPA provide guidance for a ALPA ALPA merger rather than wash their hands of the people they are supposed to protect?
What if we don't merge? Where does the money go? Back to the pilots? Back to the quid pro quo fund? Disappears completely? Maybe they have said and I don't remember, but I don't blindly follow the sheep to the wolves den.
05-01-2016, 10:31 AM
#5744
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 110
Originally Posted by Hou757
Is it a one time 30.00 fee or what?
It's a 14 time fee
05-01-2016, 11:31 AM
#5745
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 49
Just pay the $30 over the specific time period. If it's not used, you get it back at some point. It's an insurance policy. Also dues % wise a captain pays more than an FO. It just so happens in this case you're paying a greater % of hourly rate. Literally bring your lunch on a 4 day. Or have 1.5 bottles less of rum (insert booze or your choice) a month.
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05-01-2016, 11:40 AM
#5746
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Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: Under the Frog
Posts: 1,125
Originally Posted by illtake2
It's a 14 time fee
05-01-2016, 11:43 AM
#5747
Indian Takeout Driver
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FAR part 347 (91+121+135)
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hey, so I went online to the Spirit website and created a profile to apply for FO position... did the Parse resume and uploaded one as well. I didn't see anywhere in the app though to fill out my flight times and type rating/FAA certificate info. Did I miss something? I did the online assessment and that's the last thing I was able to do. Any help is appreciated.
05-01-2016, 12:36 PM
#5748
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by The Juice
If being called a "Lower Tier Pilot" by our CEO doesnt stop people from calling for paperwork, fuel, asking for an aircart multiple times vs APU, filing your own flight plan, etc..... I dont know what will.
The union hit gold with that "lower tier" comment and the press release was a great first step. I would like to see lanyards, stickers, id cards that say "Despite what my CEO thinks, I am not a 'lower tier pilot'" or "I work for a lower tier CEO"
The union hit gold with that "lower tier" comment and the press release was a great first step. I would like to see lanyards, stickers, id cards that say "Despite what my CEO thinks, I am not a 'lower tier pilot'" or "I work for a lower tier CEO"
I wonder if this new CEO also has a "low tier pay", since he is working for a low tier airline or he has a standard pay!!!
Spirit pilots are held to the same standards and procedures as other pilots in other airlines do, and they perform the same duties, and they are not less qualified than others. Also, they are not doing less work, or do it differently than others. Calling them "low tier" is really degrading!
05-01-2016, 01:39 PM
#5750
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Spirit of NKS, Part II
Originally Posted by illtake2
If two ALPA carriers merge, they have to agree on integration or it goes to an arbitrator. 99.9% of the time it goes to arbitration. An arbitrator isn't influenced by fancy lawyers, you state facts and they create the law. Ask republic how their last merger went with frontier Midwest and Lynx? That's with fancy lawyers representing us, I am not a teamster fan, I was just point out facts, something this forum doesn't like to acknowledge.
Can our MEC not outline career expectations? There are only a few people in the US that can arbitrate integrations, you don't think they have heard it all? I have been through a merger, have you?
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Can our MEC not outline career expectations? There are only a few people in the US that can arbitrate integrations, you don't think they have heard it all? I have been through a merger, have you?
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I would say Juice can be considered an authority on the subject of pilot seniority integrations.
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