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Old 05-20-2016, 11:08 PM
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I count 81 open trips for June 1st and 54 for June 2nd in all bases. It'll be interesting to see what happens come the beginning of June
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:40 AM
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I count 81 open trips for June 1st and 54 for June 2nd in all bases. It'll be interesting to see what happens come the beginning of June
Is that captain and FO?
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:27 AM
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I count 81 open trips for June 1st and 54 for June 2nd in all bases. It'll be interesting to see what happens come the beginning of June


Do you know if that is typical?
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gonyon View Post
Do you know if that is typical?
Looking at DFW, its worse than normal for transition time. 67 open trips the first 5 days for FOs. As it stands now, they dont have the reserve coverage to fill these trips. So JRMs would be necessary to fill these trips.


But then again, DOT and IOT hasnt happened. Id imagine the OTW will be out in full force to bail the company out for poor staffing.

So what could be guaranteed JRMs will be lessened by people picking stuff up at straight time.
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Old 05-21-2016, 06:13 AM
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Everything paid peanuts said is technically true. However think about this. The 1 to 15% tier get mostly what they want. The 15 to 40% tier get a some of what they want, and the last 40% to the bottom tier don't get what they want. Peanuts has it right in that if you give it a parameter and it can't fill it, it ignores it. Transition conflict would be eliminated, and vacation dropping touching trips would go away. The company would never allow the union to run PBS. However the biggest problem with PBS is how we build pairings. We have so many 18 hour four day pairings. If you told PBS "I want max pay" it would build you 4 four day trips and a single day trip of four hours. ( 17 days working in a 30 day month ). You would get paid 76 hours. That's max pay. If you want to days off, it's not going to give you any free soft time. So it would build 4 four day trips (to 14 days off) at 72 hours. That's max days off. Yes, there are outlier trips for more credit, but not many. Remember when upgrade stops, 50% of the captains and 50% of the first officers will be on the bottom half of each list (duh, I know). They will hardly get anything they want, while the company enjoys massive staffing efficiency. in order to make PBS work for us we would need to ask for a six hour Min day, or min 15 days off per month. PBS is simply not good for the pilot group, and the company would never agree to any restrictions that would help us out. Even though I'm middle of the pack, I think it's a bad deal all around. I enjoy turning one week of vacation into almost 3 weeks.

I am NOT for regional style PBS, however there is a way to make vacation be awarded after PBS has built your line. I also believe there could be a default for 5 days off between trips like our contract states. Given that plus a 6 hour min day/ 16 day off min for line holders/ 15 off for reserve, I would consider PBS if it was controlled by our union.
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:19 AM
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I am NOT for regional style PBS, however there is a way to make vacation be awarded after PBS has built your line. I also believe there could be a default for 5 days off between trips like our contract states. Given that plus a 6 hour min day/ 16 day off min for line holders/ 15 off for reserve, I would consider PBS if it was controlled by our union.
those of us who came from RAH know exactly how ****ty they Flica pbs is and that is exactly what we would get here FLICA! transitions instantly gone, vacation=you will finish a trip the day before it starts and start a trip the day it ends, no more turning one week into 2-3 weeks off. I was a sked voul on the republic side for 4+ years working with flica pbs... we would be completely screwed with PBS. they any to pay me $300/hr to implement it, id think about it 😼
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:35 AM
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by king10pin02 View Post
those of us who came from RAH know exactly how ****ty they Flica pbs is and that is exactly what we would get here FLICA! transitions instantly gone, vacation=you will finish a trip the day before it starts and start a trip the day it ends, no more turning one week into 2-3 weeks off. I was a sked voul on the republic side for 4+ years working with flica pbs... we would be completely screwed with PBS. they any to pay me $300/hr to implement it, id think about it 😼
If the company wants it, it will not benefit us! They see it as cost neutral everything so don't get any ideas that it's something we could use to improve our QOL. Fly your line, fly the contract, spend time with your family this summer and for the guys that have picking up straight time pay to help the company, do us all a favor and stay home and spend some of that extra cash you've made this spring!!!
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Old 05-21-2016, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RJRJ View Post
For the record, I have a buddy from AirTran that is holding ATL Captain at Southwest at aporox 17 yr seniority.
I have one:
October 2005 AirTran hire, cannot hold ATL as FO....
I think the guy moving to DAL was smart&lucky

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Old 05-21-2016, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by king10pin02 View Post
those of us who came from RAH know exactly how ****ty they Flica pbs is and that is exactly what we would get here FLICA! transitions instantly gone, vacation=you will finish a trip the day before it starts and start a trip the day it ends, no more turning one week into 2-3 weeks off. I was a sked voul on the republic side for 4+ years working with flica pbs... we would be completely screwed with PBS. they any to pay me $300/hr to implement it, id think about it 😼
There is a way to turn 1 week vacation into 3 with PBS. If it's awarded after your line is built and those trips are dropped. It's done at another carrier that has PBS.
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