Spirit of NKS, Part III
12-06-2016, 11:35 AM
#151
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Looks like our scab pilot is finishing up IOE on the 8th and will be released to the line. FLL based
12-06-2016, 12:36 PM
#152
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Looks like our scab pilot is finishing up IOE on the 8th and will be released to the line. FLL based
12-06-2016, 02:29 PM
#153
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My captain Rep told me the scab wouldn't be allowed in ALPA then since it is a closed shop, he could not work here.
12-06-2016, 02:41 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by beech_nut
My captain Rep told me the scab wouldn't be allowed in ALPA then since it is a closed shop, he could not work here.
Since ALPA won't admit him, they can't enforce the shop clause, so the company can't fire him because of it.
This is different than someone who refuses to join or pay maintenance dues, then the union can go to the company and utilize the shop clause provision.
12-06-2016, 04:47 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I don't think this is correct as of the info given out today.
Since ALPA won't admit him, they can't enforce the shop clause, so the company can't fire him because of it.
This is different than someone who refuses to join or pay maintenance dues, then the union can go to the company and utilize the shop clause provision.
Since ALPA won't admit him, they can't enforce the shop clause, so the company can't fire him because of it.
This is different than someone who refuses to join or pay maintenance dues, then the union can go to the company and utilize the shop clause provision.
12-06-2016, 05:00 PM
#156
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Posts: 4,603
Good to everyone that came out today and I'll see more of you again tomorrow. Average line has about 14-15 days off so I don't think 300 of FLLs finisest are actually working, not to mention we had some guys come and attend both before their trips today and after their trips this morning. There is no reason we shouldn't have at least 200 guys from FLL and another 100 or so from the other bases for about 300 total. We had 100 in dfw and that base is half the size of FLL.
Will informational picketing get us a contract tomorrow, probably not, but if we can get massive turnouts at these things we can get some media attention, which gets out to Wall Street and that puts pressure on our management. Guys, we had several pilots from other airlines attend along with five from AA, one of which that went on strike while at spirit. These guys don't even work here and they showed up. We had guys come from LAS on their day off. We have folks that live around the corner and couldn't make the effort.
No one is going to hand it to us. Picketing is a small part of a large effort to secure our contract. If someone told you that standing on the sidewalk for an hour in the sun would help you, even slightly, get a $100k raise and a real retirement would you do it? It's a small effort and can help a lot if we are getting big numbers at these things. Or- be happy with the status quo and stop complaining when you hear what the other carriers are making these days.
Will informational picketing get us a contract tomorrow, probably not, but if we can get massive turnouts at these things we can get some media attention, which gets out to Wall Street and that puts pressure on our management. Guys, we had several pilots from other airlines attend along with five from AA, one of which that went on strike while at spirit. These guys don't even work here and they showed up. We had guys come from LAS on their day off. We have folks that live around the corner and couldn't make the effort.
No one is going to hand it to us. Picketing is a small part of a large effort to secure our contract. If someone told you that standing on the sidewalk for an hour in the sun would help you, even slightly, get a $100k raise and a real retirement would you do it? It's a small effort and can help a lot if we are getting big numbers at these things. Or- be happy with the status quo and stop complaining when you hear what the other carriers are making these days.
12-06-2016, 05:05 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by Sailor
So to be clear, will he have ALPA representation beyond the 1st year (probation)..?
12-06-2016, 05:25 PM
#158
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Originally Posted by Sailor
So to be clear, will he have ALPA representation beyond the 1st year (probation)..?
I think he will be employed here without being in ALPA . I wonder if he will have to pay dues, or the equivalent?
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12-06-2016, 07:10 PM
#159
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Originally Posted by illtake2
I think he will be employed here without being in ALPA . I wonder if he will have to pay dues, or the equivalent?
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12-07-2016, 02:57 AM
#160
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
No is they way I understand it from what we were told. Call or email Stuart for clarification
Imagine working here without the baby or a grievance process
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