Spirit of NKS, Part III
12-21-2016, 08:20 PM
#411
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Originally Posted by GoMountaineers
A word of encouragement: Ignore what management says. They can say whatever they want as long as they're able to drag "negotiations" out under the RLA. But if Spirit pilots have the fortitude to wait out a release to self-help by the NLRB, the sky's the limit. Faced with the very real prospect of having 100 of their planes parked indefinitely, management will surely change their tune. Until then, it's all posturing. Don't let it get you down.
12-21-2016, 08:48 PM
#412
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Originally Posted by Stomper
The NLRB has nothing to do with contract disputes between labor and management at airlines.
12-21-2016, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Pretty sure he just got his alphabet soup mixed up. In case anyone is interested, HERE is a flow chart of the process.
12-22-2016, 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I was moderated by the moderators for expressing my discontent for spirit management's approach to negotiations. The words we all hear in the cockpit everyday and words used by most Americans in the workplace everyday with their peers are not acceptable here. Lighten up APC, this isn't dinner with your grandma.
12-22-2016, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Pretty sure he just got his alphabet soup mixed up. In case anyone is interested, HERE is a flow chart of the process.
"The board was established by the 1934 amendments to the Railway Labor Act of 1926 and is headed by a three-person panel of Presidential appointees.
NMB programs provide an integrated dispute resolution process to meet the statutory objective of minimizing strikes and other work stoppages in the airline and railroad industries. The NMB's integrated processes specifically are designed to promote three statutory goals:
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements;
The effectuation of employee rights of self-organization where a representation dispute exists; and
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes over the interpretation or application of existing agreements.
Under the Railway Labor Act, an airline or railroad union contract does not expire; it remains in force and amendable until a new contract is ratified by the union members, or until either side exercises "self-help," which could be a strike by employees or a lockout by management. Before this can happen, the NMB-appointed mediator must declare an impasse in negotiations, which starts a 30-day cooling off period, during which negotiations continue. Once the 30-day period has passed, either side is free to exercise self-help, unless the President authorizes a Presidential Emergency Board. Congress also has the power to impose a contract, although this has rarely happened in recent years."
12-22-2016, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GoMountaineers
Yes, I meant NMB (National Mediation Biard). And below is a good Wiki summary of its purpose. But the point of my post remains: Management's words are meaningless at this stage in the process and are intended to wear down the pilots and lower expectations.
"The board was established by the 1934 amendments to the Railway Labor Act of 1926 and is headed by a three-person panel of Presidential appointees.
NMB programs provide an integrated dispute resolution process to meet the statutory objective of minimizing strikes and other work stoppages in the airline and railroad industries. The NMB's integrated processes specifically are designed to promote three statutory goals:
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements;
The effectuation of employee rights of self-organization where a representation dispute exists; and
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes over the interpretation or application of existing agreements.
Under the Railway Labor Act, an airline or railroad union contract does not expire; it remains in force and amendable until a new contract is ratified by the union members, or until either side exercises "self-help," which could be a strike by employees or a lockout by management. Before this can happen, the NMB-appointed mediator must declare an impasse in negotiations, which starts a 30-day cooling off period, during which negotiations continue. Once the 30-day period has passed, either side is free to exercise self-help, unless the President authorizes a Presidential Emergency Board. Congress also has the power to impose a contract, although this has rarely happened in recent years."
"The board was established by the 1934 amendments to the Railway Labor Act of 1926 and is headed by a three-person panel of Presidential appointees.
NMB programs provide an integrated dispute resolution process to meet the statutory objective of minimizing strikes and other work stoppages in the airline and railroad industries. The NMB's integrated processes specifically are designed to promote three statutory goals:
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements;
The effectuation of employee rights of self-organization where a representation dispute exists; and
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes over the interpretation or application of existing agreements.
Under the Railway Labor Act, an airline or railroad union contract does not expire; it remains in force and amendable until a new contract is ratified by the union members, or until either side exercises "self-help," which could be a strike by employees or a lockout by management. Before this can happen, the NMB-appointed mediator must declare an impasse in negotiations, which starts a 30-day cooling off period, during which negotiations continue. Once the 30-day period has passed, either side is free to exercise self-help, unless the President authorizes a Presidential Emergency Board. Congress also has the power to impose a contract, although this has rarely happened in recent years."
Interesting to see what Trump would do if it got to that point
12-22-2016, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
Interesting to see what Trump would do if it got to that point
12-22-2016, 07:08 AM
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Still lots of calls for paperwork and mx logbooks and tampers. They know you need it if they don't care why do you? Unless you have a commute to catch that is.
12-22-2016, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I was moderated by the moderators for expressing my discontent for spirit management's approach to negotiations. The words we all hear in the cockpit everyday and words used by most Americans in the workplace everyday with their peers are not acceptable here. Lighten up APC, this isn't dinner with your grandma.
12-22-2016, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Still lots of calls for paperwork and mx logbooks and tampers. They know you need it if they don't care why do you? Unless you have a commute to catch that is.
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