Spirit of NKS, Part III
12-23-2016, 08:53 AM
#451
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Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
Originally Posted by Dacuj
1. One interview at Envoy.
2. Then, no interview, no medical flow to the largest major airline in the world.
3. You'll likely be in a 175 flying AA routes and which we all know isn't a regional jet.
4. AA flies 787, 777, 767, 757, 737, M80, 321, 320, 319.
5. Massive international network.
6. You won't be stuck on a 320 for your entire career working at some crappy outfit like Spirit with out of date work rules, infrastructure, pay, etc. (i.e. the Mesa of the LCC's)
7. Near top of industry pay.
8. Best in industry non revenue benefits on the worldwide AA network before and after flow.
9. Great health care plan.
10. Great bases around the U.S. to move your family to. Pick your coast or preferred mid America city.
2. Then, no interview, no medical flow to the largest major airline in the world.
3. You'll likely be in a 175 flying AA routes and which we all know isn't a regional jet.
4. AA flies 787, 777, 767, 757, 737, M80, 321, 320, 319.
5. Massive international network.
6. You won't be stuck on a 320 for your entire career working at some crappy outfit like Spirit with out of date work rules, infrastructure, pay, etc. (i.e. the Mesa of the LCC's)
7. Near top of industry pay.
8. Best in industry non revenue benefits on the worldwide AA network before and after flow.
9. Great health care plan.
10. Great bases around the U.S. to move your family to. Pick your coast or preferred mid America city.
2. Don't care to interview at AA. So why do I care about flow?
3. Yes, yes it is a RJ. Only someone with SJS would think otherwise.
4. You just list 3 aircraft we fly and then bash it 3 numbers later.
5. Really don't care about international. I get an override for it too but not enough that I want to bid it, even if I was at AA.
6. I don't mind the bus or care about widebodies. Again you sound like someone with SJS. You got me on spirits crappy infrastructure.
7. Correct they are. How long would it take me to recoup what I'd lose as 9 year captain and check airman if I had to go to envoy and wait for flow.....if it happens?
8. Is a good arguement. Our pass benefits lack. But I have a family of 4 I always buy tickets anyway because I don't want to risk full flights.
9. We have great benefits too.
10. I'm based and live in ord. Don't need to go to AA to get it.
So convince me why a I should go? I sit about 400 out of 1600. If I go I lose my seniority, my pay, my QOL, my training position, probably have to commute for awhile and I might flow in 5 years and have to do all of the above again? Your captains at envoy make less than half of what I made last year.
12-23-2016, 08:53 AM
#452
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load check nk245 ord-las 12/23 please! thanks!
12-23-2016, 08:56 AM
#453
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 679
Originally Posted by Dacuj
1. One interview at Envoy.
2. Then, no interview, no medical flow to the largest major airline in the world.
3. You'll likely be in a 175 flying AA routes and which we all know isn't a regional jet.
4. AA flies 787, 777, 767, 757, 737, M80, 321, 320, 319.
5. Massive international network.
6. You won't be stuck on a 320 for your entire career working at some crappy outfit like Spirit with out of date work rules, infrastructure, pay, etc. (i.e. the Mesa of the LCC's)
7. Near top of industry pay.
8. Best in industry non revenue benefits on the worldwide AA network before and after flow.
9. Great health care plan.
10. Great bases around the U.S. to move your family to. Pick your coast or preferred mid America city.
2. Then, no interview, no medical flow to the largest major airline in the world.
3. You'll likely be in a 175 flying AA routes and which we all know isn't a regional jet.
4. AA flies 787, 777, 767, 757, 737, M80, 321, 320, 319.
5. Massive international network.
6. You won't be stuck on a 320 for your entire career working at some crappy outfit like Spirit with out of date work rules, infrastructure, pay, etc. (i.e. the Mesa of the LCC's)
7. Near top of industry pay.
8. Best in industry non revenue benefits on the worldwide AA network before and after flow.
9. Great health care plan.
10. Great bases around the U.S. to move your family to. Pick your coast or preferred mid America city.
12-23-2016, 08:56 AM
#454
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Posts: 92
Spirit's Computer system is Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery SLooooooooooooow.
Trade submitted at 12:00. Still waiting. That's all.
Trade submitted at 12:00. Still waiting. That's all.
12-23-2016, 08:59 AM
#455
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: A320's
Posts: 169
Originally Posted by AN24
load check nk245 ord-las 12/23 please! thanks!
12-23-2016, 09:21 AM
#456
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Posts: 285
Originally Posted by Dacuj
The "regionals" aren't better than Spirit. Envoy is better than Spirit. I'm here to answer any questions and to promote Envoy and help Spirit guys transition there if they desire a real airline and a real career path.
Either your whole pilot force is totally demoralized and a bunch of walking zombies dying to get out of Spirit to anywhere else. Or, you have about 5 or 6 total idiots hijacking your thread beotching and moaning about how awful Spirit life is. I'm going with a totally demoralized pilot force.
Either your whole pilot force is totally demoralized and a bunch of walking zombies dying to get out of Spirit to anywhere else. Or, you have about 5 or 6 total idiots hijacking your thread beotching and moaning about how awful Spirit life is. I'm going with a totally demoralized pilot force.
The pay is what the issue is. When our current contract was signed, the pay was at least on par with others, now it's embarrassingly bad. You shouldn't have to use all your free time to manipulate the contract to increase your credit hours just to increase your w2. Even then the pay is still lacking. Nothing is getting cheaper in this world except for us pilots here at NKS.
12-23-2016, 09:31 AM
#457
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Position: A320
Posts: 568
Originally Posted by a320ulcc
actually, life is pretty good for the most part here at spirit.
The pay is what the issue is. When our current contract was signed, the pay was at least on par with others, now it's embarrassingly bad. You shouldn't have to use all your free time to manipulate the contract to increase your credit hours just to increase your w2. Even then the pay is still lacking. Nothing is getting cheaper in this world except for us pilots here at nks.
The pay is what the issue is. When our current contract was signed, the pay was at least on par with others, now it's embarrassingly bad. You shouldn't have to use all your free time to manipulate the contract to increase your credit hours just to increase your w2. Even then the pay is still lacking. Nothing is getting cheaper in this world except for us pilots here at nks.
12-23-2016, 09:46 AM
#458
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Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
Originally Posted by Pgus
Spirit's Computer system is Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery SLooooooooooooow.
Trade submitted at 12:00. Still waiting. That's all.
Trade submitted at 12:00. Still waiting. That's all.
12-23-2016, 10:00 AM
#459
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 694
Originally Posted by Dacuj
You'll likely be in a 175 flying AA routes and which we all know isn't a regional jet.
Normally I would say you're just a troll, but I think you actually believe what you're saying.
12-23-2016, 11:17 AM
#460
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
You must be new huh?
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