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Old 06-20-2018, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4 View Post
Don’t forget new flying with another codeshare. With no pilots available and rising fuel prices too.
But the MRJ bro. The MRJ will solve all of our problems. We can totally get around scope.
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Old 06-21-2018, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by m20cmark21 View Post
Well... yet another "believe it when I see it" kind of announcement, but on the company call-in today there was some domicile and other news:

-Class sizes steadily increasing
-Still having a hard time covering attrition, but things are definitely improving
-DEN once again projected to be our biggest base with no more new-hires being sent to IAD/DCA or RDU
-Transfers from east to west should start happening en-mass as soon as August while the east coast flying ramps down through the end of the year
-Captain upgrades should continue and even pick up as they will have to to cover flying
Transfers en Masse...LOL....should read the resignations will begin en masse after July 15...
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:04 AM
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Transfers en Masse...LOL....should read the resignations will begin en masse after July 15...
Exactly.

I haven’t talked to a single person on the east coast who is willing to commute halfway across the country to DEN for this company. Most would rather start over at a new regional than to move away from the east coast. Envoy is going to be happy about the number of DEC’s they’ll be getting over the next few months...
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Old 06-21-2018, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by brokepilot2 View Post
Exactly.

I haven’t talked to a single person on the east coast who is willing to commute halfway across the country to DEN for this company. Most would rather start over at a new regional than to move away from the east coast. Envoy is going to be happy about the number of DEC’s they’ll be getting over the next few months...
For sure. A lot of east coasters will leave. I wouldn't expect any of them to want to do that commute. The mass exodus will only help the seniority of the others who stick around.

My hope is that if the DEN domicile growth holds it will help recruiting, which will continue movement up the list for many pilots. To keep upgrade around 2 years and to have a relatively junior DEN domicile are huge for many people. I personally have a few friends at "other" western regionals who would give a kidney to hold DEN out of training, much less be a line-holding captain in less than 3 years...
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by m20cmark21 View Post
For sure. A lot of east coasters will leave. I wouldn't expect any of them to want to do that commute. The mass exodus will only help the seniority of the others who stick around.

My hope is that if the DEN domicile growth holds it will help recruiting, which will continue movement up the list for many pilots. To keep upgrade around 2 years and to have a relatively junior DEN domicile are huge for many people. I personally have a few friends at "other" western regionals who would give a kidney to hold DEN out of training, much less be a line-holding captain in less than 3 years...
The only people I expect to see in ORD or DEN are the really senior people who can't take the pay cut for a lateral move. I expect all the Junior Captains and FOs to be gone. However I know of several "lifers" in IAD and RDU who are looking at other options besides lateral moves, but once again it is what you can afford when you are a senior Captain.
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4 View Post
Don’t forget new flying with another codeshare. With no pilots available and rising fuel prices too.
Maybe that’s why they’re having a tough time with their “paperwork”. The other company might be having second thoughts. I’m sure the resignation letters are stacking up, I don’t believe a word of what FO said.
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:48 AM
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Transfers en Masse...LOL....should read the resignations will begin en masse after July 15...
Each week they wait probably they’re losing 40 or 50 seniority numbers at the WO. I wouldn’t wait for a bonus when you’ll get like 40k over there and grab that valuable seniority.
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Old 06-21-2018, 06:00 AM
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A lot of CA’s are waiting on class dates at other places. I know some who have classes in August or September at LCC’s and the like. They’re just biding their time waiting to leave.
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Old 06-21-2018, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat View Post
The only people I expect to see in ORD or DEN are the really senior people who can't take the pay cut for a lateral move. I expect all the Junior Captains and FOs to be gone. However I know of several "lifers" in IAD and RDU who are looking at other options besides lateral moves, but once again it is what you can afford when you are a senior Captain.
I think some of the lifers are starting to see the writing on the wall. Just look at the guys who are taking the flow to F9. Many of them are starting to realize that they’re going to have to take the pay cut eventually or they won’t have a job in a few years.
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:17 AM
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Each week they wait probably they’re losing 40 or 50 seniority numbers at the WO. I wouldn’t wait for a bonus when you’ll get like 40k over there and grab that valuable seniority.
^^^^This. Seniority is everything
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