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07-26-2017, 05:47 AM
#1701
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Regardless of why he left, KS was a breath of fresh air to this company, and an important buffer between the people at holdings and the pilots. This isn't good at all.
KS's value to this company was immense, and the fact that they didn't move hell and earth to keep him here says volumes about where we are going, and what is coming in our contract negotiations.
KS's value to this company was immense, and the fact that they didn't move hell and earth to keep him here says volumes about where we are going, and what is coming in our contract negotiations.
07-26-2017, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Regardless of why he left, KS was a breath of fresh air to this company, and an important buffer between the people at holdings and the pilots. This isn't good at all.
KS's value to this company was immense, and the fact that they didn't move hell and earth to keep him here says volumes about where we are going, and what is coming in our contract negotiations.
KS's value to this company was immense, and the fact that they didn't move hell and earth to keep him here says volumes about where we are going, and what is coming in our contract negotiations.
07-26-2017, 06:47 AM
#1703
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
I always wondered how much of it was really KS and not the good old boy hicks there relaxing the leash a little. They had to change with the times if they wanted to attract pilots.
Last edited by CBreezy; 07-26-2017 at 06:59 AM.
07-26-2017, 02:56 PM
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Initially it was KS versus the world with management. But I think over the years FO came around significantly to the possibilities of having a better relationship with the pilots than what existed pre KS. And this happened before "the great pilot shortage" existed.
07-27-2017, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Initially it was KS versus the world with management. But I think over the years FO came around significantly to the possibilities of having a better relationship with the pilots than what existed pre KS. And this happened before "the great pilot shortage" existed.
07-27-2017, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
We'll see when contract negotiations start. But don't be surprised to see them offer a concessionary contract with changes to the min day to make it more like Gojet. The only difference between TSA and Gojet was KS. We'll see where this goes but I'm not very optimistic given past behavior.
07-28-2017, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
There are many more differences between the two airlines. For one, their contract is full of holes that allowed the company to just institute a PBS program unilaterally. It had to be negotiated at TSA. KS, while probably helpful in that regard, was just a go-between. FO and the infamous DH still had to sign off on any big money items like a min day. Your union is what got you that, not KS.
07-28-2017, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
We'll see when contract negotiations start. But don't be surprised to see them offer a concessionary contract with changes to the min day to make it more like Gojet. The only difference between TSA and Gojet was KS. We'll see where this goes but I'm not very optimistic given past behavior.
07-28-2017, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Do you even know what Gojets contract is like? On PBS alone the difference is night and day.
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