Iad 777/787
04-19-2017 | 01:45 AM
#51
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Okay...Kinder or Kinder-wannabe. So the effective date of the bid is OCT 1st. Let's say a 777 guy trains in July and they can do IOE out of Dulles on the CDG or LHR trips. Are you saying that in August, the known flying in IAD will no longer be in the IAH bid packages? They will just put it all in open time in Dulles...two months before the base is opened? Just because guys are activated in the fleet does not mean they will start moving the IAH trips into PBS for the IAD guys??
You act like you are very confident in your knowledge...but without knowing who you are, I'm gonna assume you're wrong.
You act like you are very confident in your knowledge...but without knowing who you are, I'm gonna assume you're wrong.
That said, I believe they'll handle it similar (but in reverse) to how they handled the ORD 747 closure. After their "last" official bid month, there was no flying in base to be done.
There were still pilots waiting for training (big shock) but they still had schedules since the aircraft was flying SFO based trips. All remaining ORD pilots had the option of TDY to SFO or bidding RSV lines.
Those that bid RSV lines were treated as "basic" reserves since there was no flying in base. I think I handled 3 PDRs to the Hotlne from irate 747 dudes who thought they'd have the month off only to be assigned FSBs and SCs. Those assignments were legal.
The effective date of the bid doesn't mean that any trained pilots will get to sit by the pool drinking beer for min guarantee. It is the date that triggers certain contractual protections such as pay, bumps, etc., as well as the date for the first bid month where flying will be constructed to originate from that base.
If you bid DCA787 and finish training and IOE before the first effective month, I'd expect to be on RSV. They could DHD you to another base, layover, and fly you very easily. And, they probably would due to consolidation requirements.
A new category in a base shouldn't be confused with a new aircraft/retired aircraft scenario where there are no planes to be flown system wide.
Again, SSC is the best source to answer this question.
Take care,
Lee
04-19-2017 | 07:20 PM
#52
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Recommend a PDR to Scheduling Committed to get your final answer.
That said, I believe they'll handle it similar (but in reverse) to how they handled the ORD 747 closure. After their "last" official bid month, there was no flying in base to be done.
There were still pilots waiting for training (big shock) but they still had schedules since the aircraft was flying SFO based trips. All remaining ORD pilots had the option of TDY to SFO or bidding RSV lines.
Those that bid RSV lines were treated as "basic" reserves since there was no flying in base. I think I handled 3 PDRs to the Hotlne from irate 747 dudes who thought they'd have the month off only to be assigned FSBs and SCs. Those assignments were legal.
The effective date of the bid doesn't mean that any trained pilots will get to sit by the pool drinking beer for min guarantee. It is the date that triggers certain contractual protections such as pay, bumps, etc., as well as the date for the first bid month where flying will be constructed to originate from that base.
If you bid DCA787 and finish training and IOE before the first effective month, I'd expect to be on RSV. They could DHD you to another base, layover, and fly you very easily. And, they probably would due to consolidation requirements.
A new category in a base shouldn't be confused with a new aircraft/retired aircraft scenario where there are no planes to be flown system wide.
Again, SSC is the best source to answer this question.
Take care,
Lee
That said, I believe they'll handle it similar (but in reverse) to how they handled the ORD 747 closure. After their "last" official bid month, there was no flying in base to be done.
There were still pilots waiting for training (big shock) but they still had schedules since the aircraft was flying SFO based trips. All remaining ORD pilots had the option of TDY to SFO or bidding RSV lines.
Those that bid RSV lines were treated as "basic" reserves since there was no flying in base. I think I handled 3 PDRs to the Hotlne from irate 747 dudes who thought they'd have the month off only to be assigned FSBs and SCs. Those assignments were legal.
The effective date of the bid doesn't mean that any trained pilots will get to sit by the pool drinking beer for min guarantee. It is the date that triggers certain contractual protections such as pay, bumps, etc., as well as the date for the first bid month where flying will be constructed to originate from that base.
If you bid DCA787 and finish training and IOE before the first effective month, I'd expect to be on RSV. They could DHD you to another base, layover, and fly you very easily. And, they probably would due to consolidation requirements.
A new category in a base shouldn't be confused with a new aircraft/retired aircraft scenario where there are no planes to be flown system wide.
Again, SSC is the best source to answer this question.
Take care,
Lee
04-20-2017 | 04:54 AM
#53
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From the April SSC Report
Vacancy Bid 17-10V for DCA 787, New Categories
With conclusion of Phase 1 of the NPDM, the company has announced the opening of new Categories (DCA 787 CA and DCA 787 FO) with an initial Vacancy Bid for 20 Captains and 45 First Officers.
The SSC anticipates future coverage in the fall will require increasing the staffing need to approximately 30 Captains and 70 First Officer Regular Lines, plus Reserves. At current Reserve levels this would result in an approximate total of 36 Captains and 84 First Officers in DCA 787. This staffing would be to cover DCA 787 flying on these routes: IAD-PEK, IAD-GRU, IAD-LHR, and IAD-CDG from November on.
This Vacancy opened April 18th and Closes April 28th, the Effective date is the October Bid Period (Sept 29th) Training may start as early as July. As flying on the 787 already exists lines could be built as soon as pilots are activated.
Freezes are released for New Category Vacancy bidding for 6 Months from the first Effective Date for pilots with an 8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze. That is to say, pilots who are currently on an 8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze are still eligible to bid into these new Categories regardless of their freeze. Pilots currently on an 8-D-2 Bidding Freeze, however, are not eligible to bid into these Categories as the language that allows for release from that freeze is for new Bases only. (There’s already a Base at DCA so the New Base provisions do not apply).
Vacancy Bid 17-10V for DCA 787, New Categories
With conclusion of Phase 1 of the NPDM, the company has announced the opening of new Categories (DCA 787 CA and DCA 787 FO) with an initial Vacancy Bid for 20 Captains and 45 First Officers.
The SSC anticipates future coverage in the fall will require increasing the staffing need to approximately 30 Captains and 70 First Officer Regular Lines, plus Reserves. At current Reserve levels this would result in an approximate total of 36 Captains and 84 First Officers in DCA 787. This staffing would be to cover DCA 787 flying on these routes: IAD-PEK, IAD-GRU, IAD-LHR, and IAD-CDG from November on.
This Vacancy opened April 18th and Closes April 28th, the Effective date is the October Bid Period (Sept 29th) Training may start as early as July. As flying on the 787 already exists lines could be built as soon as pilots are activated.
Freezes are released for New Category Vacancy bidding for 6 Months from the first Effective Date for pilots with an 8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze. That is to say, pilots who are currently on an 8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze are still eligible to bid into these new Categories regardless of their freeze. Pilots currently on an 8-D-2 Bidding Freeze, however, are not eligible to bid into these Categories as the language that allows for release from that freeze is for new Bases only. (There’s already a Base at DCA so the New Base provisions do not apply).
04-20-2017 | 08:02 AM
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I'm really surprised by this snapshot... why would a solid line holder on the 777 bid to the 787 and possibly be on reserve in the Fall? Too many unknowns with the possibility of growing from 45 to 84 in the Fall... pilot could be awarded 50% on the G-Line after the initial vacancy and then another 39 senior to them bid on top next bid... pushing them into middle of RSV G-Line numbers.
04-20-2017 | 08:04 AM
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From: 767/757 CA
Recommend a PDR to Scheduling Committed to get your final answer.
That said, I believe they'll handle it similar (but in reverse) to how they handled the ORD 747 closure. After their "last" official bid month, there was no flying in base to be done.
There were still pilots waiting for training (big shock) but they still had schedules since the aircraft was flying SFO based trips. All remaining ORD pilots had the option of TDY to SFO or bidding RSV lines.
Those that bid RSV lines were treated as "basic" reserves since there was no flying in base. I think I handled 3 PDRs to the Hotlne from irate 747 dudes who thought they'd have the month off only to be assigned FSBs and SCs. Those assignments were legal.
The effective date of the bid doesn't mean that any trained pilots will get to sit by the pool drinking beer for min guarantee. It is the date that triggers certain contractual protections such as pay, bumps, etc., as well as the date for the first bid month where flying will be constructed to originate from that base.
If you bid DCA787 and finish training and IOE before the first effective month, I'd expect to be on RSV. They could DHD you to another base, layover, and fly you very easily. And, they probably would due to consolidation requirements.
A new category in a base shouldn't be confused with a new aircraft/retired aircraft scenario where there are no planes to be flown system wide.
Again, SSC is the best source to answer this question.
Take care,
Lee
That said, I believe they'll handle it similar (but in reverse) to how they handled the ORD 747 closure. After their "last" official bid month, there was no flying in base to be done.
There were still pilots waiting for training (big shock) but they still had schedules since the aircraft was flying SFO based trips. All remaining ORD pilots had the option of TDY to SFO or bidding RSV lines.
Those that bid RSV lines were treated as "basic" reserves since there was no flying in base. I think I handled 3 PDRs to the Hotlne from irate 747 dudes who thought they'd have the month off only to be assigned FSBs and SCs. Those assignments were legal.
The effective date of the bid doesn't mean that any trained pilots will get to sit by the pool drinking beer for min guarantee. It is the date that triggers certain contractual protections such as pay, bumps, etc., as well as the date for the first bid month where flying will be constructed to originate from that base.
If you bid DCA787 and finish training and IOE before the first effective month, I'd expect to be on RSV. They could DHD you to another base, layover, and fly you very easily. And, they probably would due to consolidation requirements.
A new category in a base shouldn't be confused with a new aircraft/retired aircraft scenario where there are no planes to be flown system wide.
Again, SSC is the best source to answer this question.
Take care,
Lee
04-20-2017 | 12:22 PM
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From: B737 CAPT IAH
Yeah, there will be needless SCs and even FSBs, but they can't roll HDOs to assign you a trip (FDO yes).
Lee
04-20-2017 | 12:26 PM
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I'm really surprised by this snapshot... why would a solid line holder on the 777 bid to the 787 and possibly be on reserve in the Fall? Too many unknowns with the possibility of growing from 45 to 84 in the Fall... pilot could be awarded 50% on the G-Line after the initial vacancy and then another 39 senior to them bid on top next bid... pushing them into middle of RSV G-Line numbers.
04-20-2017 | 03:17 PM
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2. Guy has flown many months of fiscal-fecal lines on the 777. Sees PEK and CDG fading as the sun sets. Figures lines can only get 'mo fecal.
3. Guy sees his mates at home on reserve waxing their classic cars and making essentially the same coin as he is, even though he is wandering off to foreign lands each week. Has a Whisky Tango Fox moment. Epiphany complete, clarity enters his decision making.
4. Guy makes the same hourly rate on the scabcab.
5. Guy wants to harass scabs just before he, and they, retire?
6. Guy is tired of LHR, The Cumberland, and or his Special Lady Friend who resides there.
7. Guy fondly remembers his Special Lady Friend (or her friends) that he knew in GRU.
8. Guy.......
This isn't so tough.
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04-20-2017 | 05:44 PM
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1. Guy has a chub to fly the 787. You know the type, Type Collector.
2. Guy has flown many months of fiscal-fecal lines on the 777. Sees PEK and CDG fading as the sun sets. Figures lines can only get 'mo fecal.
3. Guy sees his mates at home on reserve waxing their classic cars and making essentially the same coin as he is, even though he is wandering off to foreign lands each week. Has a Whisky Tango Fox moment. Epiphany complete, clarity enters his decision making.
4. Guy makes the same hourly rate on the scabcab.
5. Guy wants to harass scabs just before he, and they, retire?
6. Guy is tired of LHR, The Cumberland, and or his Special Lady Friend who resides there.
7. Guy fondly remembers his Special Lady Friend (or her friends) that he knew in GRU.
8. Guy.......
This isn't so tough.
2. Guy has flown many months of fiscal-fecal lines on the 777. Sees PEK and CDG fading as the sun sets. Figures lines can only get 'mo fecal.
3. Guy sees his mates at home on reserve waxing their classic cars and making essentially the same coin as he is, even though he is wandering off to foreign lands each week. Has a Whisky Tango Fox moment. Epiphany complete, clarity enters his decision making.
4. Guy makes the same hourly rate on the scabcab.
5. Guy wants to harass scabs just before he, and they, retire?
6. Guy is tired of LHR, The Cumberland, and or his Special Lady Friend who resides there.
7. Guy fondly remembers his Special Lady Friend (or her friends) that he knew in GRU.
8. Guy.......
This isn't so tough.
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