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Old 12-05-2017 | 05:31 PM
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See first page. Those are most junior.
DC gets some new hires too.

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Old 12-06-2017 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rbtower2
WOW, kinda surprised there were no 75/76 spots available anywhere. Weren't there a bunch of vacancies for that?
Probably waiting for closer to Spring to build up for Summer flying. At my base I'm at 45% overall, but 2% below the G-line for January. Lots of reserves.
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Old 12-06-2017 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Do you have a break down of Furloughs and CPP and which airline CPP.
Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did the furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere, and no longer waiting on a call from UA.

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Old 12-06-2017 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by hrmham
Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
Don't know about % numbers but anyone still out has been able to come back for quite some time. They will most likely be captains if they want to be. WAG is hat they have great jobs they are milking to the last day. Good for them.
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Old 12-06-2017 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hrmham
Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did the furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere, and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
There are still 240ish pilots out on furlough they have all had the opportunity to come back. UA started running classes in 2012 and it has been the policy that the first right of refusal to all class spots since then belong to the furloughed pilots. With 30 days notice they can come back to any class being offered up until 10 years from their furlough date. Those dates begin to expire starting in SEP 18'-Sep 19'.

After 9-11 there were 2,172 furloughs they were all offered back by spring of 2007. United hired a few hundred from spring of 07' - fall of 08'. Then the second furlough hit with 1437 being let go. Those are the furloughs that are still out. So far since 2012 1200ish furloughs have returned to the line.

This is one reason that the United hiring numbers look so much lower than everyone else's. If you add our hiring numbers from fall of 2012 United has brought on 2200 NEW pilots and 1200 furloughed pilots. That 3400 number since 2012 is an average of 680 pilots being trained per year, about 57/month. Thats pretty close to the same numbers as the other three big airlines.
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Old 12-06-2017 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by hrmham
Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did the furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere, and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
I believe total furloughs were 2173.

Total pilot list was about 11,500, with another 400 in the pipeline.

Ballpark: 20%.
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Old 12-06-2017 | 07:23 AM
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Always curious to know where the guys still out on furlough are . I know personally a few at JetBlue that aren't coming back . Their timing was good at Blue and got senior and only have so many years left .

Out of the reminding left , I would assume / guess that its lower percentage of them coming back . At least I pray this a halfwinger
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Old 12-06-2017 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
This is one reason that the United hiring numbers look so much lower than everyone else's. If you add our hiring numbers from fall of 2012 United has brought on 2200 NEW pilots and 1200 furloughed pilots. That 3400 number since 2012 is an average of 680 pilots being trained per year, about 57/month. Thats pretty close to the same numbers as the other three big airlines.
Well, “pretty close” if you say so. Meanwhile, at Delta....

Since January 1, 2014 Delta has hired and trained ~4,000 new pilots.
The math is just a tad higher for an average per year.

~4000 in 4 years vs. our ~3400 in a little over 5.
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Old 12-06-2017 | 07:50 AM
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Well, “pretty close” if you say so. Meanwhile, at Delta....



The math is just a tad higher for an average per year.

~4000 in 4 years vs. our ~3400 in a little over 5.
If that number is true then that is impressive I didn't know they were doing 1000/year. The drop threads seem to be a couple classes a month of about 30 each........
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Old 12-06-2017 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
If that number is true then that is impressive I didn't know they were doing 1000/year. The drop threads seem to be a couple classes a month of about 30 each........
It’s not a matter of “IF that number is true”, IT JUST IS.

I believe they had a couple years over 1K. They’ve gone high and low with some months at 4 classes totaling over 100 for the month;

These classes have averaged 31 pilots per class. The largest class had 74 pilots. In 2017 we held classes four times per month.

Based on the analysis, summarized in the data below, the most efficient class size is ~30-40. The optimal class frequency is three per month. We anticipate adopting this approach in 2018.
Meanwhile, at UAL.......
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