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Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did the furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere, and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
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Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
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Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did the furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere, and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
After 9-11 there were 2,172 furloughs they were all offered back by spring of 2007. United hired a few hundred from spring of 07' - fall of 08'. Then the second furlough hit with 1437 being let go. Those are the furloughs that are still out. So far since 2012 1200ish furloughs have returned to the line.
This is one reason that the United hiring numbers look so much lower than everyone else's. If you add our hiring numbers from fall of 2012 United has brought on 2200 NEW pilots and 1200 furloughed pilots. That 3400 number since 2012 is an average of 680 pilots being trained per year, about 57/month. Thats pretty close to the same numbers as the other three big airlines.
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Given all the industry hiring of late, I was a bit surprised to read that there might be furloughs still waiting for a call. Just how high up the seniority list did the furlough line reach in the 9/11 aftermath (or what percentage of UA's active FOs and CAs we furloughed)? Presumably, many (most?) of these folks were picked up elsewhere since then, are already on the line elsewhere, and no longer waiting on a call from UA.
Total pilot list was about 11,500, with another 400 in the pipeline.
Ballpark: 20%.
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Always curious to know where the guys still out on furlough are . I know personally a few at JetBlue that aren't coming back . Their timing was good at Blue and got senior and only have so many years left .
Out of the reminding left , I would assume / guess that its lower percentage of them coming back . At least I pray this a halfwinger
Out of the reminding left , I would assume / guess that its lower percentage of them coming back . At least I pray this a halfwinger
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This is one reason that the United hiring numbers look so much lower than everyone else's. If you add our hiring numbers from fall of 2012 United has brought on 2200 NEW pilots and 1200 furloughed pilots. That 3400 number since 2012 is an average of 680 pilots being trained per year, about 57/month. Thats pretty close to the same numbers as the other three big airlines.
Since January 1, 2014 Delta has hired and trained ~4,000 new pilots.
~4000 in 4 years vs. our ~3400 in a little over 5.
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If that number is true then that is impressive I didn't know they were doing 1000/year. The drop threads seem to be a couple classes a month of about 30 each........
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I believe they had a couple years over 1K. They’ve gone high and low with some months at 4 classes totaling over 100 for the month;
These classes have averaged 31 pilots per class. The largest class had 74 pilots. In 2017 we held classes four times per month.
Based on the analysis, summarized in the data below, the most efficient class size is ~30-40. The optimal class frequency is three per month. We anticipate adopting this approach in 2018.
Based on the analysis, summarized in the data below, the most efficient class size is ~30-40. The optimal class frequency is three per month. We anticipate adopting this approach in 2018.
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