Originally Posted by Learjet driver

Which part was the propaganda? The new 21 319’s from EasyJet sounded pretty good to me. 120-150 airplanes over the next 3 years sounds good as well. ��

Originally Posted by 82spukram

John

FWIW in airbus fleet news for January they said we are getting 7 more used buses with options for 7 more. So although not the internet rumor of 40 from easyjet they are slowly acquiring more.

Originally Posted by 89Pistons

Try showing me where I'm wrong.

You're naive and gullible. Just how they like it.

Originally Posted by Learjet driver

I was in a meeting in ORD this week and Scott Kirby came in the room and said he had just inked a deal with Easy Jet for 21 used Airbus 319’s. Howard Attarian said possibility 30 more. Over all we have 100 plus firm airplanes being delivered over the next 3 years with none being parked. I would say that is growth.

All management explained the hiring numbers being the way that they are because......

1. We have been a seasonal airline. We fly a ton in the summer and almost shutdown in Jan & Feb. we are going to level that out.

2. Parking the 747-400 was the equivalent of hiring a years worth of pilots at an aggressive rate. The Training center was unprepared for this and are just recovering now. The last of the 400 pilots are going through training now.

3. The 4-6% growth is ASM’s (available seat miles) not growth of airplanes or pilots. The growth number that we want to hear, airplanes and pilots equates to 2 1/2-3% at the max. The ASM growth will be achieved through flying our planes more. An example was given that there are 9 banks a day in ORD but only during 3 or 4 of the 9 banks are the gates completely occupied. They want to fill all the gaps and keep the airplanes moving not sitting. That does mean more pilots because of more flying.

4. United hasn’t hit the big retirement numbers just yet. Delta and American has. We are only retiring at the most 400 and maybe a few more on medical. We should start to see the hiring numbers pick up soon.

On the positive side... I did hear one management pilot say to expect 3 year Capts in the not too distant future based on our aircraft orders.

None of this is my opinion. I’m passing along what I heard from some of UAL’s top management.

Originally Posted by 89Pistons

Sounds like you fell for their usual BS. Some will never learn.

Edit: That came off the wrong way. Of course they're going to spread propaganda. They just need an audience. Especially going into Section 6.

Originally Posted by Half wing

I have been an airline pilot for 15 years. No one here takes any of the company propaganda with anything more than a grain of salt. It’s amazing that you think people are dumb enough to take the company at its word. The truth usually lies somewhere between what the company says and what someone border-line suicidal, such as yourself, says. I think why you’re so unhappy is because when you were hired you naively and gulibly believed the company bs that you would be Captain in two years. Then you were furloughed and your life and career has been a steaming pile of dog **** for 15 of the last 17 years. So when you call someone naive and gullible, you are projecting. For anyone looking to come here, I apologize for this guy. He is in the small minority.

Originally Posted by Sunvox

I think maybe I rode with you on the bus today to the DEN airport. Have you flown Gulf Streams as well?

Joe in NY



You continue to sadden me because your glass is "Half Full". We hired for the last 5 years, and we will continue hiring for the foreseeable future. .

Originally Posted by Half wing

Then you were furloughed and your life and career has been a steaming pile

Originally Posted by 89Pistons

My life? I get the career part but my life? I missed that the first time I read it. You don't know about my life. But if you want to comment on "my life" I can tell you about it if you're interested. Started out rough but great now. I'll fill in everything else in between for you over the phone or in person but please don't speak about my life. The career part I get. Your perceived opinion of my personality is within limits too although I think you'd realize that perception is wrong if we spoke. You don't know me well enough to make comments about my life though.