New Hire Classes and Drops
#2741
You think it's "not that bad" because you haven't worked under any other airlines reserve rules, or at least not for "many moons". Having 2 days off moved per month is the exact opposite of normal for any other airline, even the regionals. People are not trying to portray reserve on here as anything besides what it is. We have the worst reserve rules of any major airline and most regionals. 6 moveable days off (global), unlimited short calls with early release that makes you both a short call and long call reserve every day, FSB, no ability to trade reserve days with other pilots, no ability to pickup OT on days off, targeting of reserves with the silo system, heavily manipulated pool coverage that makes it impossible to move reserve days, etc etc etc. Maybe you should ask pilots at other airlines why reserve goes senior, even to commuters.
#2742
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Everyone says how bad commuting to LCR is, but if I can get there from home within the 13 hours (hopefully true from AUS-EWR or AUS-SFO?), wouldn't I still have some nice extra days at home?
(Note: I've never had LCR, and I believe everyone who says how bad it is, I just want to understand.)
TIA
#2743
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 19
Current UAX non-WO FO here!
As part of my Major Research, I just wanted to get the most current and reliable way to get ORD as soon as possible out of training. Tracking the NH drops, looks like going the 737 route seems to be the quickest?
For reference, I'm expecting to be the 8-ball in class. Would that push me towards WB EWR and away from a vacancy/base trade to ORD?
What about 787 in ORD? What kind of hire date are we seeing on ORD FOs? Thanks!
As part of my Major Research, I just wanted to get the most current and reliable way to get ORD as soon as possible out of training. Tracking the NH drops, looks like going the 737 route seems to be the quickest?
For reference, I'm expecting to be the 8-ball in class. Would that push me towards WB EWR and away from a vacancy/base trade to ORD?
What about 787 in ORD? What kind of hire date are we seeing on ORD FOs? Thanks!
#2744
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 106
Hey, can I ask: I must be missing something.
Everyone says how bad commuting to LCR is, but if I can get there from home within the 13 hours (hopefully true from AUS-EWR or AUS-SFO?), wouldn't I still have some nice extra days at home?
(Note: I've never had LCR, and I believe everyone who says how bad it is, I just want to understand.)
TIA
Everyone says how bad commuting to LCR is, but if I can get there from home within the 13 hours (hopefully true from AUS-EWR or AUS-SFO?), wouldn't I still have some nice extra days at home?
(Note: I've never had LCR, and I believe everyone who says how bad it is, I just want to understand.)
TIA
#2745
Hey, can I ask: I must be missing something.
Everyone says how bad commuting to LCR is, but if I can get there from home within the 13 hours (hopefully true from AUS-EWR or AUS-SFO?), wouldn't I still have some nice extra days at home?
(Note: I've never had LCR, and I believe everyone who says how bad it is, I just want to understand.)
TIA
Everyone says how bad commuting to LCR is, but if I can get there from home within the 13 hours (hopefully true from AUS-EWR or AUS-SFO?), wouldn't I still have some nice extra days at home?
(Note: I've never had LCR, and I believe everyone who says how bad it is, I just want to understand.)
TIA
sum this up: commuting to global reserve (or domestic) sucks. Living in base, don’t care if they roll a day/two per month… not so bad.
#2746
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(I swear, I'm smart in other ways, but I'm sometimes very dense on bidding/seniority/etc for some reason!)
#2747
I’m dumbing this answer down some since a lot of gotchas in the contract… but these guidelines are pretty normal: when you start a string of reserve days you are on Long Call starting at 0001 local base time… they can call or assign you a trip that is 14 hours out. You stay on long call until they assign a flying trip OR give you a short call or field standby (sit at airport for 4 hours). The caveat is that they only need to give you 10 hours notice to start a short call assignment. Short calls are when you have up to 2.5 hours (traffic permitting) to get to the airport. Being on short call and being a commuter sucks… as you stay on a short call assignment for 14 hours… if they don’t use you during this time you revert immediately back to long call. If you live in base you don’t sweat the short calls… carry your phone and stay within 2.5 hours drive time and you’ll be fine. I spend my short calls at the golf course 10 minutes from the airport. I’ve NEVER had a field standby over the 10+ years on a global/international fleet. If you are on a 737/A320 then field standbys are normal ops…
sum this up: commuting to global reserve (or domestic) sucks. Living in base, don’t care if they roll a day/two per month… not so bad.
sum this up: commuting to global reserve (or domestic) sucks. Living in base, don’t care if they roll a day/two per month… not so bad.
#2748
Sorry if I'm being slow to understand, but are you saying people often have all LC days used for something else (SC, FSB, or flight), or are you saying people often have all LC days remain as unused LC?
(I swear, I'm smart in other ways, but I'm sometimes very dense on bidding/seniority/etc for some reason!)
(I swear, I'm smart in other ways, but I'm sometimes very dense on bidding/seniority/etc for some reason!)
Last edited by ninerdriver; 04-07-2023 at 11:05 AM.
#2749
Sorry if I'm being slow to understand, but are you saying people often have all LC days used for something else (SC, FSB, or flight), or are you saying people often have all LC days remain as unused LC?
(I swear, I'm smart in other ways, but I'm sometimes very dense on bidding/seniority/etc for some reason!)
(I swear, I'm smart in other ways, but I'm sometimes very dense on bidding/seniority/etc for some reason!)
#2750
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