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Old 07-08-2018 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Boondoggle
How many pilots has United hired in the last few years? Doesn’t seem like they have kept pace with some of the other legacies.
Why does United need to keep pace? We cancel less than a dozen flights a month for lack of crew.

We have grown our pilot ranks by 1600 pilots over the last 5 years. 3200 pilots total have been hired and recalled from furlough in the last 5 years. Thats 650 pilots a year going through Indoc.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Why does United need to keep pace? We cancel less than a dozen flights a month for lack of crew.

We have grown our pilot ranks by 1600 pilots over the last 5 years. 3200 pilots total have been hired and recalled from furlough in the last 5 years. Thats 650 pilots a year going through Indoc.
And we’re still 8 years away from”peak reitement”.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 07:59 AM
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Thanks for the fapa numbers. I didn’t mean to imply they needed to keep pace. I’m hoping to go to United and it’s nice to see they haven’t added over 30 percent of the current pilot force in the last five years like other airlines.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
And we’re still 8 years away from”peak reitement”.
Good point we have hardly retired eye watering numbers. Even our peak retirement year in 2028 is only 725 pilots. United retirements are more spread out than the other airlines.

Total pilots off the list (death, retirement, termination):

2014: 400
2015: 318
2016: 320
2017: 346

Basically the furlough recalls have covered retirements 1:1. All pilots hired have been for growth.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
...Worse if you’re an old, even current, retiring military guy, though, from the word on street.
How did you deduce that? Are you saying that because you fit into that category? United hires across the entire spectrum. Classes have 50+ year olds down to wiz kids still in their 20's. Take the 600ish a year new hires, subtract the CPP and regional kids, that leaves roughly 300 a year for military. Doable...harder now that "darling Delta" isn't so darling anymore, since they've hired so many and those pilots want to come to UA now. Soon it will be UA in the hiring spot light.
Hang in there! Get that chief pilot interview and LORS.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by F15andMD11
How did you deduce that? Are you saying that because you fit into that category? United hires across the entire spectrum. Classes have 50+ year olds down to wiz kids still in their 20's. Take the 600ish a year new hires, subtract the CPP and regional kids, that leaves roughly 300 a year for military. Doable...harder now that "darling Delta" isn't so darling anymore, since they've hired so many and those pilots want to come to UA now. Soon it will be UA in the hiring spot light.
Hang in there! Get that chief pilot interview and LORS.

Yes, I fall in that boat and was hired, but the hiring market isn’t what it was for retiring military even 6 months ago. I feel lucky to have gotten called when my peers are still listening to crickets (from everyone).
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Old 07-08-2018 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Boondoggle
Thanks for the fapa numbers. I didn’t mean to imply they needed to keep pace. I’m hoping to go to United and it’s nice to see they haven’t added over 30 percent of the current pilot force in the last five years like other airlines.
If you go to those other airlines, then that 30% is going to be ahead of you your entire career. United is still a few years off from its massive retirement wave.
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Old 07-08-2018 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Yes, I fall in that boat and was hired, but the hiring market isn’t what it was for retiring military even 6 months ago. I feel lucky to have gotten called when my peers are still listening to crickets (from everyone).
With United's new hire classes composing of 55% CPP applicants and then throw in Military hires, getting a call from off the street is going to become extremely difficult.
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Old 07-09-2018 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Here’s the numbers... FAPA.aero | Pilot Hiring History - Monthly - Current Year

Worse if you’re an old, even current, retiring military guy, though, from the word on street.
Please explain the old/retiring military pilot part? Thanks
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Old 07-09-2018 | 11:48 AM
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Please explain the old/retiring military pilot part? Thanks
Purely anecdotal based on some feedback from other retiring military waiting for calls while watching Fox News after being retired for a few months and apps in for a year.
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