I don't blame him and, no, he didn't f@#k anybody by simply following the FARs.

If UAL doesn't have staffing to cover extended duty periods, which are already plenty long, it sounds like a UA management problem and not a pilot problem. 117 is no longer a brand new reg.

Extensions are supposed to be the exception and NOT the norm which they have become. Otherwise we could just start with 16 hour days on the narrowbody for every duty period and call it good.

In fact, I'd be more concerned about a fatigued pilot going the extra mile rationalizing they are "helping." The data indicates that a disproportionate number of FSAPs, incidents, and accidents occur at the far end of the duty day, no?

But back to that pilot in question, it seems like he has a pretty crystal clear understanding of his relationship with UA.

+1

That said, I'm pretty sure that leverage doesn't increase when pilots waive the contract.

 

His stance was he would not extend by even a minute, not due to fatigue or safety, but to get back at the company, to get a free hotel, and extra pay for the next day, to his chagrin we took off two minutes before our cco time and he sat like a little b#$tch the whole way back to EWR. I’m not one who goes to 16 hrs in a blizzard to get a flight in, but if your #1 holding short and your CCO time is in one minute, going back to the gate to get vengeance on your furlough a decade ago is pretty lame. Glad the bulk of guys I fly with don’t have his attitude, I’ve worked at places like that, not fun. He was ****ed that I chipped in and helped make it work, legally within the contract I might add.....

 

Sounds like you acted like a professional and did the job that you’re paid to do. The other pilot sounds like an unprofessional tool. I’m glad that they’re in the minority.

 

Maybe if the company paid us to extend like they did in the past, this wouldn’t be an issue?

 

I’ve watched guys deliberately slow roll themselves in order to time out, last flight of the night. That’s total horse feces. In the normal operations of the day though you owe it to the people paying your check to do what you can, and I’m in the no extension category too under most circumstances. However I’ll bust my ass up to that point to make it happen.

 

^^^
Yup, this is the way to do things right.

Once the clock clicks over however, no explanations or apologies are required to justify flying the contract or FARs.

 

Guess you forgot your own rhetoric..the part about how management gets theirs no matter what happens, like post 9/11? So you probably already know they don't loose one minute sleep if some cranky whiner refuses to extend 5 minutes.

The ones getting f@#ke are those poor slobs in the back that pay our wages and do loose sleep,when we cancel. Ya know the ones trying to get to grannies funeral , or daughters wedding, or your fellow pilots deadheading home, etc.....

Btw, just so you know, we can't extend FAR limits.

 

Would you like to show me where I did this? Because I went back and read all of my posts on this thread and came up bupkis.

Nice rants though.

 

As was discussed in a cockpit recently: any pressure applied to the operation now during this time of fair winds and calm seas takes a tool out of our kit that we could torque at a later time and date, should it be required.

In addition to operating under our personal and professional code of ethics, I’m on board with SCOE or core4 or whatever it’s latest incarnation is, but as Bruce Banner said, “You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.”

 

I'm pretty sure the data shows incidents/accidents happen on the first leg of the pairing/ID. Anyways, back to trolling!