Vacancy 20-02V
10-03-2019 | 09:28 PM
#151
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It violates seniority. A pilot should not have to commute out of base on the hopes they might get a base trade back in. The current system should only allow a base trade if both pilots have the seniority to hold the base.
An exacerbated example is ORD 320 CAP where a guy gets in well out of seniority on a base trade, and then there is a 777 FO displacement and a bunch of guys pile in on top of him, overfilling the category, and making it so existing pilots who have seniority can't get into that category for (probably) at least a year more.
Its not about hating the people that are there, its about those pilots that have seniority and can't get what their seniority should allow them.
An exacerbated example is ORD 320 CAP where a guy gets in well out of seniority on a base trade, and then there is a 777 FO displacement and a bunch of guys pile in on top of him, overfilling the category, and making it so existing pilots who have seniority can't get into that category for (probably) at least a year more.
Its not about hating the people that are there, its about those pilots that have seniority and can't get what their seniority should allow them.
You should have bid the 777 at ORD
Enough of the non sense
10-04-2019 | 04:45 AM
#152
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10-04-2019 | 08:31 AM
#154
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It violates seniority. A pilot should not have to commute out of base on the hopes they might get a base trade back in. The current system should only allow a base trade if both pilots have the seniority to hold the base.
An exacerbated example is ORD 320 CAP where a guy gets in well out of seniority on a base trade, and then there is a 777 FO displacement and a bunch of guys pile in on top of him, overfilling the category, and making it so existing pilots who have seniority can't get into that category for (probably) at least a year more.
Its not about hating the people that are there, its about those pilots that have seniority and can't get what their seniority should allow them.
An exacerbated example is ORD 320 CAP where a guy gets in well out of seniority on a base trade, and then there is a 777 FO displacement and a bunch of guys pile in on top of him, overfilling the category, and making it so existing pilots who have seniority can't get into that category for (probably) at least a year more.
Its not about hating the people that are there, its about those pilots that have seniority and can't get what their seniority should allow them.
10-04-2019 | 08:51 AM
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Please educate me on how this violates seniority. My understanding of how base trades are conducted is that they are seniority based. Anyone senior who wants to base trade has that opportunity to get it. It's awarded based on seniority. If you're senior and want to base trade, put in for it!!! Don't blame a junior guy that does put in for it because he/she knows their contract better than you.
How long base trades last
3 months 6 months forever
Not familiar with it
10-04-2019 | 09:40 AM
#156
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10-04-2019 | 11:38 AM
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10-04-2019 | 01:29 PM
#158
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From: 737 Captain
Vacancy 20-02V
Pre constructed lines did this also in a way. The lines were built to cover flying.
My gripe is if you’re below the G-line, your seniority doesn’t matter regarding awarding of build-up/conversion lines.
10-04-2019 | 01:39 PM
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I can understand that but the upside of training and vacation touch drop was sweet. If they want the benefit of PBS then they should honor the senior guys request. I agree South of the gline is another problem area.
10-04-2019 | 03:05 PM
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Please educate me on how this violates seniority. My understanding of how base trades are conducted is that they are seniority based. Anyone senior who wants to base trade has that opportunity to get it. It's awarded based on seniority. If you're senior and want to base trade, put in for it!!! Don't blame a junior guy that does put in for it because he/she knows their contract better than you.
ORD 320 captain wants to base trade to EWR for some reason.
A 320 captain at any other base than EWR is not looked for the trade, only EWR 320 captains. A 320 captain in SFO or LAX would not even be considered regardless of seniority. It only honors seniority for pilots in the BES that the trade is listed for.
Had the ORD 320 captain bid to EWR on a vacancy and created a new vacancy in ORD, There might also be an ORD (or any other base for that matter) pilot who would have been more senior to the 320 captain from ewr and would have been able to move into the 320 captain spot over the guy from EWR. A base trade bypasses this by excluding any other BES than listed on the trade request.
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