Vacancy 20-02V
09-18-2019, 08:15 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 69
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Uh huh. 
Things are so bad economically and politically in ORD that UAL is undertaking a massive terminal expansion.
https://hub.united.com/united-ohare-...541350038.html
Things are so bad economically and politically in ORD that UAL is undertaking a massive terminal expansion.
https://hub.united.com/united-ohare-...541350038.html
I believe that is the problem. What’s the point of adding pilots in ORD if we can’t add flights? The other day CD informed us we were on a ground stop to ORD. I asked what’s the problem. CD said it’s a United only ground stop, not enough gates.
We continue to pay for the terrible short sightedness of Smisek.
09-18-2019, 02:05 PM
#34
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Joined APC: May 2011
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 479
Originally Posted by Thor
So why is ORD stagnating? Could it be operating costs are outta control due to a state and city government raising taxes and fees in hopes of staving off budgetary collapse?
Now for some tough love, who elects these same leaders?
Now for some tough love, who elects these same leaders?
09-18-2019, 04:55 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 133
Originally Posted by NFLUALNFL
Chicago and Illinois are festering sewers; no argument, I live here. The fact is that about 22,000 people in Illinois' 22nd Congressional District, 0.2% of the state's population, elect the Honorable Michael J. Madigan to the Illinois General Assembly as they have in every election since 1970. From his office as Speaker, he rules the state.
https://youtu.be/ZgVP3H122nw
09-19-2019, 05:05 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
Everyone knows that Chicago politics is famous for its corruption. It’s the “Chicago way”. The problem with ORD is that you have two huge airlines who make it a major hub. There’s only so much pavement. Being that we are extremely limited on gate space, wouldn’t it alleviate some of the crowding if we ran fewer flights with bigger aircraft to move the people? This is an example of where 100 seat jets could potentially be a good thing. If not 100 seats planes, more of our current NB fleet types replacing regional flying. Kirby is hoping that we relax scope, but that isn’t going to happen. We’ll just sit in the penalty box and collect overs waiting on a gate. Relaxing scope in the past created this problem. As far as I’m concerned it ends now and we claw back what we gave away over the last 20+ years.
09-19-2019, 05:20 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,639
Originally Posted by Itsajob
Everyone knows that Chicago politics is famous for its corruption. It’s the “Chicago way”. The problem with ORD is that you have two huge airlines who make it a major hub. There’s only so much pavement. Being that we are extremely limited on gate space, wouldn’t it alleviate some of the crowding if we ran fewer flights with bigger aircraft to move the people?
And just to add to the mess, currently many of the ORD gates can only park RJs because more gates were crammed into the existing concourses during the RJ boom.
Although the expansion will only initially add 25% more gates total, the % of gates usable by mainline will increase dramatically. It seems clear that UAL’s long term plan includes an increase in the gauge of aircraft in ORD and the key to doing it is the expansion.
Reason 10,768 not to give on scope.
09-19-2019, 08:56 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: 320 Captain
Posts: 635
Originally Posted by Itsajob
Everyone knows that Chicago politics is famous for its corruption. It’s the “Chicago way”. The problem with ORD is that you have two huge airlines who make it a major hub. There’s only so much pavement. Being that we are extremely limited on gate space, wouldn’t it alleviate some of the crowding if we ran fewer flights with bigger aircraft to move the people? This is an example of where 100 seat jets could potentially be a good thing. If not 100 seats planes, more of our current NB fleet types replacing regional flying. Kirby is hoping that we relax scope, but that isn’t going to happen. We’ll just sit in the penalty box and collect overs waiting on a gate. Relaxing scope in the past created this problem. As far as I’m concerned it ends now and we claw back what we gave away over the last 20+ years.
And regarding the actual operation of ORD, I agree with the rest. We are gate constrained. Hardly any delays anymore due to traffic (wx of course is another issue) with the new runways in use. But fewer flights (by upgauging) also has potential negative follow on effects. Would the schedule be competitive with American or someone else? Do those “slots” get used by competitor(s)?
Above my pay grade and knowledge to figure out if 7x a day on a 175 is better or worse then 4x a day on a 319 from a revenue/profit. Better for us as pilots? Yes. But for the corporation? That’s what network planning/revenue management has to figure out.
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