Profit sharing for 2019
#242
Each of us have our plusses and minuses...I wouldn't make decisions on where to go based on first year crap.
#243
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Thank you for the clarification!!! At United, our new hires get paid 3 hours per day, regardless of if they work. The caveat is if there is an extended period of days off while in training. Then it will revert back to monthly min guarantee. Most likely, new hires will get paid 90-93 hours per month at first year pay. Not only that, but we cover their first uniform, rolling per diem, and as well as hotel rooms while in training.
#244
Thank you for the clarification!!! At United, our new hires get paid 3 hours per day, regardless of if they work. The caveat is if there is an extended period of days off while in training. Then it will revert back to monthly min guarantee. Most likely, new hires will get paid 90-93 hours per month at first year pay. Not only that, but we cover their first uniform, rolling per diem, and as well as hotel rooms while in training.
#245
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I was hired by delta and United in the same month several years ago. When I take my 777 pay rate and multiply it by 1.08%, it beats the 767 I could hold there multiplied at 1.16%, by $30/hour. Plus I have way more enjoyable jumpseat experiences on UA metal. Actually, any metal. And I don’t wear a hat...but that’s only because it was stolen from the bag room top rack.
#246
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UAL pays their new hires first year pay ($91/hr) at 3 hrs per day, so they are getting 90hrs of play per month. That $8.2K gross per month. Let’s assume 3 months from Indoc to IOE complete that $24.6K
DAL new hire salary for 2020 is $5,091/month. Times 3 months Indoc to IOE complete that’s $15,275.
UAL new hire is up $9,300 so far.
Then UAL pays for uniforms (let’s call it $500) and hotels. Sure a DAL noob could get a crash pad for a few hundred bucks, but to compare apples to apples, a single occupancy hotel room crew rate at the red lion is roughly $50/night x 30 nights, so add another $1,500
9300 + 500 + 1500 = $11.3K
Only chance I see DAL guy making up that difference is via PS. A DAL noob gets PS even if they only work 1 day of the year prior. The noobs that got hired Dec 2018 got 16% of their 20 days of prorated salary, which came out to be under $500. I was hired in Sept and my PS was a little over $2K
A UAL noob does not get PS unless they work a full calendar year. So a noob that starts UAL Indoc on Jan 2nd 2020 wont see a PS check until 2022 (for their full year of work in 2021).
#247
It was a hypothetical 2019 hire, so I counted PS (plus 401k on PS)...what's the likelihood of 1Jan class date? Even if you added PS for the UAL guy it's still +/- 5-10k, which still wouldn't sway me...especially if were able to be home based. While our training pay is abysmal, it wouldn't change me mind on where to go. Both are awesome places to be, go to the first one to call and make decisions if you get another call later. Heck my sim partner at AAL had left UAL after 9 months! He also grew up/lives within 10 miles of DFW.
But yes, our training pay is abysmal!
But yes, our training pay is abysmal!
#249
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And to add to that. i wouldn't make a decision like that based on profit sharing. Profit Sharing is like marrying Farah Faucet. Sure, she's hot now, but (ok, sorry; I know she passed away), but she may not be the hottest girl on the block in a few years. Profit sharing depends on two things: your contract (it could change), and your management (they might stink). They might also stink now, but be great later on, etc... In short, profit sharing is a long term unknown. I wouldn't plan on it for paying the mortgage.
#250
Don’t use PS or what airline provides new hire housing to decide on a 20-30 year flying career! If given the choice pick a major that has a hub where you want to live or easy to commute to/from. General rule of thumb is take the offer of what ever major legacy airline will hire you first... and then if a new offer comes up later weigh the pros/cons (domicile locations, commute possibilities, contract, etc) and decide to jump ship...
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