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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest
You are actually typing this today? Imagine if, four years ago when a black president was still in the WH, that president ordered federal police into cities to make arrests against people protesting the possibility of gun control. Remember operation Jade Helm? A bunch of right wingers scared that the scheduled joint forces exercises in Texas could possibly be a government(federal) takeover of Texas in order to take guns away. Even our governor(Texas), in an effort to ease the anxiety of those who believed in this conspiracy, sent the texas guard to "monitor" the activities. A republican friend of mine in the state legislature said most of the educated republicans were laughing about it and felt for the representatives of the heavily populated districts affected. Now, we actually have a wannabe fascist sending armed federal law enforcement into certain cities and the left is up in arms but the right seems okay with for some reason. Can't have it both ways.
So does that mean you'll start hammering on the people who complain about the muted Federal response to COVID? Can't have it both ways.
You see problems with Federal overreach; make sure you object when others call for more Federal power.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
So does that mean you'll start hammering on the people who complain about the muted Federal response to COVID? Can't have it both ways.
You see problems with Federal overreach; make sure you object when others call for more Federal power.
The federal government SHOULD set guidlines and encourage STATES to follow a uniform FEDERAL set of protocols. The countries around the globe that have been successful have done so using a national framework that the citizens were able to get behind. Our country responded to the events of 9/11 by issuing federal guidlines that you and I happily followed. Leadership from the top could have altered the course of our recovery. To what degree is certainly arguable. This week the president reversed course and stated that we are now "working" on a response. You have to admit that is a tad delayed given the statistics. It is now hurting the economy and once again hammering our careers. I'm glad he has seemingly reversed course here but I fear it has nothing to do with keeping our vulnerable safe and more to do with polling data and or the economic fallout (which I can actually get onboard with given our industry).
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I don't know where you leapt to the conclusion you did in your first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, reread my second to last sentence one more time because you don't seem to 'get it'. Here it is:
Neither political party are pilots' friends.
My conclusion (question actually) came from this statement:

Give Ds full control of government (both houses and POTUS) and they may decide that maximum monthly wage payment via CARES money is $5K/mo.
They didn't ask for limits in CARES 1, so why would they require limits in CARES 2 if they had full control? We wouldn't have gotten jack squat if the Ds didn't control the HoR.

I agree that there are no real friends in politics, but there is really NO DOUBT which party's policies, legislation, and actions are more favorable to our career as airline pilots.

You also seem to conflate 'corporate welfare' with our 'salaries'. As I tried to point out, those are very different things. You and I are NOT Scott Kirby. We are labor, and therefore should support 'labor welfare'.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:17 PM
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I agree that there are no real friends in politics, but there is really NO DOUBT which party's policies, legislation, and actions are more favorable to our career as airline pilots.
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I can point to plenty of times where both parties have screwed us. If you think one political party 'likes' pilots or has done us more favors than the other, you're not very astute.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest
The federal government SHOULD set guidlines and encourage STATES to follow a uniform FEDERAL set of protocols. The countries around the globe that have been successful have done so using a national framework that the citizens were able to get behind. Our country responded to the events of 9/11 by issuing federal guidlines that you and I happily followed. Leadership from the top could have altered the course of our recovery. To what degree is certainly arguable. This week the president reversed course and stated that we are now "working" on a response. You have to admit that is a tad delayed given the statistics. It is now hurting the economy and once again hammering our careers. I'm glad he has seemingly reversed course here but I fear it has nothing to do with keeping our vulnerable safe and more to do with polling data and or the economic fallout (which I can actually get onboard with given our industry).
So after your blathering about federal overreach, you want to give the Federal government MORE power? Double facepalm.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:25 PM
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I can point to plenty of times where both parties have screwed us. If you think one political party 'likes' pilots or has done us more favors than the other, you're not very astute.

That's our problem as pilots. Yes, we are labor. So in that spirit we just so happen to fall in favor of many of the policies the Democratic party has historically supported over our careers. On an individual basis, we often fall into the top 2% and therefore get hit with higher taxes/don't qualify for exemptions/refunds others in the "labor" workforce seemingly often do. Make no mistake, our being "labor" ultimately helps us more than it hurts in the big scheme of things. Absent the current POTUS (whom is not a true Republican), I've been able to get behind most of the policies of Republican administrations as a moderate Democrat. The areas I've often disagreed with most involve voter suppression and union representation suppression (right to work states) along a few socially conservative initiatives. I look forward to Biden being a 1 term bridge to a 2024 election where our two parties put fourth new, non babyboomer ideas and choices for the future.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
So after your blathering about federal overreach, you want to give the Federal government MORE power? Double facepalm.
Don't hurt yourself. Power? No. Responsibility? Yes. The tone should be set by the president. State governors/local officials should want to follow. Past presidents of both parties have understood this during difficult times. It is a shame our current president has not.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I can point to plenty of times where both parties have screwed us. If you think one political party 'likes' pilots or has done us more favors than the other, you're not very astute.
Deflection and denial don't suit you. This is really quite simple. Why are you hung up on who 'likes' us??? That's not a thing in politics.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 01:07 PM
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My best earning years have been under Trump. Neither your point or mine are indicative of anything without further context.

I’m sure an administration whose anti-white, anti-middle class, anti-carbon is gonna do wonders for our careers.

As to the 4th stripe, still wearing it. For how long? Who knows. Not too concerned about it. I’ve yet to turn 35. I’m sure I’ll be alright in the long run.
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