This is true, the business world is full of crappy managers/leaders who were promoted because they were great salesmen. Not all skills translate to other positions.

 

Hawg,

Thanks for coming on and making your feelings known. That's what these forums are for. I'll say, strong feelings too. I too do not trust management's promises, having been badly burned in the past. I am against concessions, having said that, I will read the proposal, and see if maybe they have come up with something both sides can live with. Quite frankly, I am hard pressed to believe this AIP is not concessionary. No real way it couldn't be.

It might be possible to include in the AIP all the work that was done on the contract previously, so on snap back, maybe we get a real contract. I know, pie in the sky. I may be an optimist, but a firm no on concessions. We'll see. Thanks for posting your opinion.

 

Nothing but sunshine and blue skies, even with downturns and recessions in the economy, except a black swan event that drops 30% of GDP overnight. And then will recover.

 

I would guess you must be well into the top 2/3 of BES, because the displacements were specifically designed to block most NB CAP out of WB FO altogether. So yes, UNTIL flying picks up there will be some folks who will fit your profile, well above the G before and now stuck on reserve. Hopefully it won’t last long.

 

Well said... and..

If the company had delivered an agreement on the amendable date of 1/1/19 it might have instilled a bit of loyalty amongst the ranks ....
So I guess the lesson is, when times are good we can’t pay you and when times are bad we can’t pay you..
The contract should stand as is forget the LOA..

 

Stand by for, “It’s not personal....it’s just business.”

 

Well I'm not sure where to begin, but here goes anyway.

Do you fly for United or SWA? Just curious because of your handle and what appears to be your ignorance about what may be about to happen to us all.

For starters, I too paid for all my college and all my flying. My daddy didn’t contribute a cent and neither did Uncle Sam. All of it came out of my pocket so spare me your school of hard knocks diatribe because I’ve already got a Masters from them. As do a several thousand other United pilots. You might want to consider your audience.

I’d like to congratulation you on having “character, grit, determination to finish" what you started. Because you’re the ONLY pilot on the planet who did that. I can’t believe you wrote that. Jesus, did you hurt your arm?

What the union should be doing is protecting the existing limp-wristed contract. Period.

Please tell me how my buddy will be able to pick up FIVE hours of overtime let alone jack his pay credit to 100-120 per month. If the rumors are are true our monthly pay will be capped by this AIP! They’re going to build low time lines and you’ll have ZERO opportunity to pick anything up unless you're in the top 5 percent of your BES. This concept is so bloody obvious to most that I have to shake my head at your suggestion. When airlines retrench, it has always been considered the highest level of ALPA douchebaggery to line your pockets while the majority of the group can't even pick up a dime. Where do you propose he go to work? “Hi, looking for part time work. I have this other airline job but I can give you ten, maybe 12 days per month but I can’t tell you when those days might be till the 13th or so….how about a job?” What kind of money will that type of hustle bring in? Maybe 12-15 bucks an hour? I’m worried for him (and a few thousand other UA pilots) because they are about to take another 20-30-percent pay cut on top of what we have already given. He "is exactly one of those “hard, dedicated professionals who is about to lose an income to pay for their mortgage, food and insurance” you mention. Not to mention those pesky kids in college. “Get better grades for a scholarship” Dude, they’re already in school. The tuition bills are due today.

I’m going to guess that you’re super junior and worried about getting furloughed. Thousands of us have been to that school as well, so spare us your next lecture. I don’t think that you realize what this agreement will mean. If anyone is acting like a petulant brat it just might be you. Do you think that the union ought to buy (secure) your job? Because that’s what’s about to happen. I’ve paid ALPA dues for 34 years and the union has never done anything like this before. Yet here we are, the pilots of United on the cusp of bloodletting for Mother U. What a load of sanctimonious crap. We’ve NEVER been a big family! We’ve been a union and when the feces hits the fan the most junior get splattered the worst. It’s been this way for decades. Read up our history. Do the words “bond distribution” mean anything to you?

Nice tie.

 

your post did sound like we should feel sorry for a guy who has his pay cut and now cannot pay for his kids college in cash. So there does seem to be a little contradiction there with the stance you were taking now versus your last post.

I like your perspective dude, but I find it odd that many of you guys who have gotten completely burned by both the company and the union choose to dig in and just say “this is how it’s always been”. Why knock your fellow 121 pilots who were also completely hosed in the lost decade who would like to leverage our power as a union To increase the stability for all of our members going forward.

I think the belief that so many want to hold onto that most peoples values are dictated by their position on the seniority list I find just not to be true. I have talked to many people with a furlough letter who are FPLD, I’ve also talked to quite a few senior people who are interested in making this a more stable profession for the generations coming through. I don’t think there is a right or wrong here, and I think a lot more of this centers on what each of us think The main purpose of our union is. And I will save you the key strokes, I mean beyond enforcing our current contract. What do we want the career of a pilot to look like going forward?

 

You guys want to make wholesale changes to the way we are compensated then please do them during normal contract negotians and not during abnormal economic spasms while we have a gun to our heads. The company has billions in cash and billions more available for a price. We are not bankers or charity workers. And in 10-12 months there might be a vaccine. Once this reduced monthly pay cat is out of the bag it's never going back in. Not with the type of spine that ALPA has exhibited during my career.

 

Never let a crisis go to waste. If we can reset the paradigm I’m all for that.

In the past, we lost the pension and scope, and still furloughed thousands. In the future, I’m ok picking 2.