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09-17-2020, 06:30 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
My displacement isn’t going to be cancelled and I’d be taking a pay cut to allow someone junior to me with a furlough notice in hand to keep NB CA pay as a NB FO. If I truly understand that carve out correctly that’s a big no for me. I will not support a pardoned furloughee to make more than me regardless of him/her taking the upgrade when I could have.
09-17-2020, 06:33 AM
#153
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Originally Posted by Dicecal
I’m willing to bet if this passes, the company will schedule block hours in the lowest area (40% or less)
09-17-2020, 06:39 AM
#154
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Originally Posted by dr650
So your vote is to save the company money? Again this agreement cost the company more money than a straight furlough.
09-17-2020, 06:41 AM
#155
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
There is always going to be winners and losers. The carveouts are there and there would be a financial penalty for the company to get those people back to their higher paying seats. Covid was going to reduce our income whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not. I don't know how you want them to fix your perceived slight. If we furloughed the 3900 the financial hit to you would be greater than the short term grief that this TA imposes. If we are able to get the entire airline moving again you might be able to upgrade, hold higher BES seniority, and have faster career progression. If we furlough 3900 the only way for the company to grow quickly would be a merger or acquisition which is a whole lot of fun for everyone. I am sorry that a very few people are going to make out slightly better.
09-17-2020, 06:42 AM
#156
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
My displacement isn’t going to be cancelled and I’d be taking a pay cut to allow someone junior to me with a furlough notice in hand to keep NB CA pay as a NB FO. If I truly understand that carve out correctly that’s a big no for me. I will not support a pardoned furloughee to make more than me regardless of him/her taking the upgrade when I could have.
I urge anyone in this boat to truly look at how they think their careers will pan out if we allow UAL unfettered furlough ability. Additionally, if you actually end up taking a pay cut due to block hours below 50%, I would look at what other career hits would be imminent for you given that kind of suppressed demand. If I block hours get back around 55%, I imagine with pay protection you would not be taking a pay cut…
09-17-2020, 06:44 AM
#157
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Originally Posted by disenchantMINT
On a dollar basis it is more expensive than a furlough. However, there is a lot of value in keeping so many pilots current and qualified for immediate recovery and minimizing training bubbles. The value to the company clearly outweighs the cost otherwise the company wouldn't have agreed to the terms.
09-17-2020, 06:48 AM
#158
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Originally Posted by mmm123
Or they are accelerating towards ch-11. The immediate recovery is not happening IMO.
09-17-2020, 06:49 AM
#159
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Originally Posted by disenchantMINT
On a dollar basis it is more expensive than a furlough. However, there is a lot of value in keeping so many pilots current and qualified for immediate recovery and minimizing training bubbles. The value to the company clearly outweighs the cost otherwise the company wouldn't have agreed to the terms.
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