pipe

Not if the airline is properly staffed.

Galaxy5

Ever since I got hired I’ve always been told that when a contract comes out for MR “you HAVE to look at the whole thing...everyone just goes and looks at the pay tables, and that’s why a few dollars raise always gets a yes vote!”

So...anyone smart on the scope stuff? To a relatively new guy, it seems like good gives on the company’s part, but then gets into some details and numbers that leave me scratching my head.

Also, first class DH...I mean, come on guys, how great is that.

duvie

maybe I’m obtuse dude, but I think my logic follows. I’ll state it again and you can tell me where our scenarios for the future diverge.

I’m not saying that our current block hours would have us at the left end of the AIP table. What I’m saying is that if they’re at 40% now, I think 55% is reasonable by next spring. That’s a long way from fully recovered. It’s actually pretty terrible, but it gets the 2/3 tier up to a 10% cut under contractual MPG.

if we don’t furlough More than 2,000 next June, then demand is undoubtedly over 70% and the top 2/3rds keep their full UPA pay

If demand is still under 67.5% going into next fall (the top two thirds are at full UPA MPG), we definitely furlough. If we furlough over the magic 2,000 number, the LOA is null and void and all the NO votes get their “full” pay. I guess at worst we call it a semi-failed experiment perhaps (except that it bought many of our pilots an extra 8 months to find a way to take care of their families).

the more interesting and dire scenario is if demand is as depressed through 2022 as it seems you believe is likely. In that case, the bottom half of the 2/3 tier will be bumped to NB right seat, half of TK will be moth-balled, and countless other assets and employee groups will be gutted to try and reshape the airline to be able to operate in any semblance of a profitable business. In that case a decrease in MPG is the least if your/our worries.

So, demand is either not coming back and the middle tier is going to be far more affected than they currently seem to believe. Either through furloughs, bumps or bankruptcy.

or demand comes back to 67.5% plus and the top 2/3rds of the airline keep the current seats and current UPA MPG

bottoms up

I don’t disagree with some of what you said..But I want us to agree to on thing first. The company WILL furlough ~2000 come June 2021. Just admit that. Travel and business will not rebound by then. Even best guess is vaccine by 2Q 2021 so let’s agree to that primarily. Also let’s agree to we are taking a pay cut for 24 months at a rate to be determined.

also let’s agree these 2 things are totally separate. Both will happen at different time and both have little impact on the other.

agree? Then let proceed...

Dave Fitzgerald

Bingo! That one popped right out at me. Why did they not include it in the summary? Selling too hard? Not hiding anything, unless you don't actually read the agreement. But I'm sure everyone will read the whole thing.

Curious. I'll go to the ALPA zoom meeting, and council meetings to hear more.

Barley

It popped right out at me too when I opened the full TA which was attached to the same email as the summary.

duvie

I agree 👍🏼 It’s a gamble. But one I’m willing to take, because I don’t see doing nothing as a better alternative for the airline (not SK or any other c-suite) and most of our pilot group

MiLa

the language in the full TA gives every category That is having the displacement cancelled (Actually going back to that seat). I don’t know your base but you can look it up in the TA if it applies to you. If you don’t fit in the cancelled displacement category you will still be pay protected to whatever pay rate you were at on the last day of the June bid period.

guppie

it’s funded 65/35% by the company/pilots. The big change is the max monthly benefit is increasing from 8K to 11k. Huge. And yes.... not until Oct 2021, but a permanent get.

flightmedic01

Thanks MiLa, yeah I’m EWR based. Not one of the 70 that are cancelled in the 20-07D, so I’m figuring I’m headed to the guppie and still keep the 320CA pay (albeit at 35 hours) if this thing passes.