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09-16-2020, 06:37 PM
#101
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Reclining
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I’m needing some clarification on the pay rate protections (yes, I filed a PDR), but looking to see if anyone here can clarify. Is everyone pay protected at the rate they were getting as of June 2020?? Background info, I’m a junior 320 CA at the upper end of the “junior group” (9300s seniority). Displaced to 737FO on the 20-07D bid and scheduled to start training in October. Do I keep the 320CA rate or go to the 737FO rate??
Still not convinced that dividing the pilot group is a good thing. Undecided.
Still not convinced that dividing the pilot group is a good thing. Undecided.
09-16-2020, 06:42 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,327
Originally Posted by guppie
I do not disagree. Just pointing out that we are at 40% of last year’s block hours and therefore the pay cuts are waaay deeper than the 10% you were peddling. More like 14/26/50%. But this agreement does spread the pain in a way that honors seniority, keeps peeps on property and mostly in their seats ready to roll IF/WHEN this nightmare scenario ends. I’m impressed. The alternative is more displacements/furloughs....because they are (were) coming.
09-16-2020, 07:01 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: non reclining seat
Posts: 447
Originally Posted by duvie
my assumption is that if we are at sub 40% hours next spring/summer (the 52 MPG), everybody at UAL should be making plans outside aviation. and you won’t be at WB pay for long. I’d make your calculations based on NB pay if you think sub 50% block hours are likely next spring.
If we are at 55% which I think is more likely for late spring, you’re at $17,640. Once we hit 57.5%, you’re above your displaced number.
this is my basic premise, that I don’t really understand how people are not acknowledging. If we continue to be on the low end of the mpg table, as many people are using to evaluate their pay if this passes, our airline is in deep deep trouble. So, I guess I don’t understand a scenario where we’re at 50% or less and guys think the airline will keep trucking along with even 8,000 pilots. So, If 5,000+ furloughs happen, game-changer is an understatement. the pay a 2/3rd pilot and anyone under 5,000 system seniority should be evaluating isn’t WB pay, but NB.
again, I urge people to actually go through the motions of looking at what will actually be happening at UAL if we are still experiencing the block hour numbers that people are bandying about when looking at the AIP MPG table
If we are at 55% which I think is more likely for late spring, you’re at $17,640. Once we hit 57.5%, you’re above your displaced number.
this is my basic premise, that I don’t really understand how people are not acknowledging. If we continue to be on the low end of the mpg table, as many people are using to evaluate their pay if this passes, our airline is in deep deep trouble. So, I guess I don’t understand a scenario where we’re at 50% or less and guys think the airline will keep trucking along with even 8,000 pilots. So, If 5,000+ furloughs happen, game-changer is an understatement. the pay a 2/3rd pilot and anyone under 5,000 system seniority should be evaluating isn’t WB pay, but NB.
again, I urge people to actually go through the motions of looking at what will actually be happening at UAL if we are still experiencing the block hour numbers that people are bandying about when looking at the AIP MPG table
Are you really that Obtuse? Not name calling but serious Question! We are running at 40% right now. Do you ever talk to or email or read the pairing committees emails or people from the pairing review?
Our own union put our and email stating recovery isn’t happening to 2019 levels till 2023-2024 at best. From our own union.
You wonder if the guys negotiating this are taking a pay cut? Or are they still getting 90 plus hours? Curious? Maybe!
but what say you when in June next year united furloughs and we are all still left with their POS LOA?
09-16-2020, 07:21 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by bottoms up
Our own union put our and email stating recovery isn’t happening to 2019 levels till 2023-2024 at best. From our own union.
09-16-2020, 07:25 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 521
Originally Posted by duvie
You guys do recognize that the alternative is all displacements stand, and the LPAs are in the toilet right? So there are going to be massive pay cuts with or without this LOA.
It seems like some people think we are choosing between this LOA and pre-Covid life…
It seems like some people think we are choosing between this LOA and pre-Covid life…
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09-16-2020, 07:27 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 798
Originally Posted by vipereaglebus
Does anybody else notice the most important part of the TA, the MPG table, isn't included in the executive summary? I was giving ALPA the benefit of the doubt on this one, but they just lost my trust. They have an agenda. As someone with a furlough notice in hand, this one's a NO.
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09-16-2020, 07:33 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: non reclining seat
Posts: 447
Originally Posted by High on sky
Perhaps if you actually read the LOA, we are not required to get to 2019 levels for it to sunset. 70-80% is all we need. Or show a profit. Will that happen before Oct 2022 is the question.
I have said before my wife works for a large hospital (top 10 populated cities in US) in US on the business side and they are not planning for any normalcy For average person to return until 2022. That’s with a vaccine in 2021. That’s for a for profit hospital of mega revenue that has been dealing with this day in and day out.
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