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09-17-2020 | 06:54 PM
#201
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From: 777 FO
In this example doesn't the TA go away, but we gain First Class DH, 5% raise when things turn around, LTD bump, etc...? Seems like a no-brainer when you put it like this?
09-17-2020 | 06:56 PM
#202
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From: WB Bunkie
if they furlough 5000, This LOA will have sunseted long before most of us get called back
09-17-2020 | 06:58 PM
#203
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I totally get that and I’m definitely leaning no, but I’m going to try to fully understand what I’m voting against. Another way to look at this TA is that things will have to turn around before we even consider recalls. By the time that the company starts that process this deal will have likely timed out or satisfied one of the triggers to terminate he deal. Recalling 4,000 people isn’t going to happen overnight, besides if we go deeper than the allowable ~2,000 furloughs, the deal is off and we have our current contract.
09-17-2020 | 06:58 PM
#204
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From: 777 FO
09-17-2020 | 07:07 PM
#205
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EWR777Fo with a cancelled displacement who has not yet been trained, who doesn’t want to be the 8 ball commuting to reserve. Can still take their displacement award to be a line holding 737 fo where they live, but they get NB fo pay and forfeit pay protection, read sec G-2. All the fo’s junior to him that can no longer hold the seat get the pay
09-17-2020 | 07:22 PM
#206
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From: 787 4th seat, clock watcher
Question....
Has anyone thought of the possibility or probability that say June comes and company furloughs 2000. So PCarlson decides the throw another MOAB Or any displacement just prior to that. Thus getting furloughs and then removing a significant part of the pay protection. only to now have everyone on short cycle or perhaps no cycle to get further pay reductions...
what is to stop company from just issuing another displacement bid in 6 months once everyone has short coursed over or back only to put it out again and now no pay protections.
I would totally do that if I were MGT. especially just before I cut 2000
if I am not making any sense I apologize but I am curious.
middle 1/3 guy
Has anyone thought of the possibility or probability that say June comes and company furloughs 2000. So PCarlson decides the throw another MOAB Or any displacement just prior to that. Thus getting furloughs and then removing a significant part of the pay protection. only to now have everyone on short cycle or perhaps no cycle to get further pay reductions...
what is to stop company from just issuing another displacement bid in 6 months once everyone has short coursed over or back only to put it out again and now no pay protections.
I would totally do that if I were MGT. especially just before I cut 2000
if I am not making any sense I apologize but I am curious.
middle 1/3 guy
09-17-2020 | 07:27 PM
#207
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From: WB Bunkie
EWR777Fo with a cancelled displacement who has not yet been trained, who doesn’t want to be the 8 ball commuting to reserve. Can still take their displacement award to be a line holding 737 fo where they live, but they get NB fo pay and forfeit pay protection, read sec G-2. All the fo’s junior to him that can no longer hold the seat get the pay
09-17-2020 | 07:54 PM
#208
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From: 787
My displacement isn’t going to be cancelled and I’d be taking a pay cut to allow someone junior to me with a furlough notice in hand to keep NB CA pay as a NB FO. If I truly understand that carve out correctly that’s a big no for me. I will not support a pardoned furloughee to make more than me regardless of him/her taking the upgrade when I could have.
09-17-2020 | 07:58 PM
#209
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From: 777 FO
Question....
Has anyone thought of the possibility or probability that say June comes and company furloughs 2000. So PCarlson decides the throw another MOAB Or any displacement just prior to that. Thus getting furloughs and then removing a significant part of the pay protection. only to now have everyone on short cycle or perhaps no cycle to get further pay reductions...
what is to stop company from just issuing another displacement bid in 6 months once everyone has short coursed over or back only to put it out again and now no pay protections.
I would totally do that if I were MGT. especially just before I cut 2000
if I am not making any sense I apologize but I am curious.
middle 1/3 guy
Has anyone thought of the possibility or probability that say June comes and company furloughs 2000. So PCarlson decides the throw another MOAB Or any displacement just prior to that. Thus getting furloughs and then removing a significant part of the pay protection. only to now have everyone on short cycle or perhaps no cycle to get further pay reductions...
what is to stop company from just issuing another displacement bid in 6 months once everyone has short coursed over or back only to put it out again and now no pay protections.
I would totally do that if I were MGT. especially just before I cut 2000
if I am not making any sense I apologize but I am curious.
middle 1/3 guy
09-17-2020 | 08:29 PM
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