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Old 09-25-2020 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Sparta
Nucflash has been on his knees pleading to save the furloughs since March...it is now the pilots’ problem and not the company’s whenever there is a downturn
Just like a recession is purely a problem for the Fed and not guy standing in the soup line....right?
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Old 09-25-2020 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
This coming from a senior captain whos chance of being furloughed is on par with that of hell freezing over.....
It can’t be forgotten that we once voted during a time of crisis believing that a major reason for saying yes was to save the A-fund. We all know how that turned out. To throw salt in that wound, we got to watch UAL’s lead bankruptcy attorney flat out admit in an interview years later that they had quietly considered the pensions doomed from day one of the bankruptcy process. It had to be done that way, he said, to keep “the hearts and minds” of the employees engaged. Hard to forget a bait and switch like that in a world of unintended consequences.
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Old 09-25-2020 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
It can’t be forgotten that we once voted during a time of crisis believing that a major reason for saying yes was to save the A-fund. We all know how that turned out. To throw salt in that wound, we got to watch UAL’s lead bankruptcy attorney flat out admit in an interview years later that they had quietly considered the pensions doomed from day one of the bankruptcy process. It had to be done that way, he said, to keep “the hearts and minds” of the employees engaged. Hard to forget a bait and switch like that in a world of unintended consequences.
Saving the A plan was a handshake deal. There was no contractual agreement to save the pension.
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Old 09-25-2020 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
This coming from a senior captain whos chance of being furloughed is on par with that of hell freezing over.....
Hey jackass, many senior pilots faced this and far worse over our careers. Despite your arrogance, you aren’t owed a damn thing in this career.
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Old 09-25-2020 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sparta
Nucflash has been on his knees pleading to save the furloughs since March...it is now the pilots’ problem and not the company’s whenever there is a downturn
I get the impression he spends a lot of time on his knees.
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Old 09-25-2020 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogbelch
Hey jackass, many senior pilots faced this and far worse over our careers. Despite your arrogance, you aren’t owed a damn thing in this career.
They faced a pandemic and far worse decline in loads?
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Old 09-25-2020 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
They faced a pandemic and far worse decline in loads?
Loss of income, retirement, career stability etc. end result for whatever reason was/is the same on an individual basis. But I never expected my fellow pilots to bail me out.
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Old 09-25-2020 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogbelch
Loss of income, retirement, career stability etc. end result for whatever reason was/is the same on an individual basis. But I never expected my fellow pilots to bail me out.
Who’s “expecting” anything? Has someone in the lower third told you that they DESERVE a handout from you? And I went through all the same stuff that you did. I just don’t feel the need to narcissistically blow my horn about it all the time.
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Old 09-25-2020 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
Who’s “expecting” anything? Has someone in the lower third told you that they DESERVE a handout from you? And I went through all the same stuff that you did. I just don’t feel the need to narcissistically blow my horn about it all the time.

Narcissistically? Lol, whatever snowflake.
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Old 09-27-2020 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
Who’s “expecting” anything? Has someone in the lower third told you that they DESERVE a handout from you? And I went through all the same stuff that you did. I just don’t feel the need to narcissistically blow my horn about it all the time.
I recall my grandparents and parents saying "respect your elders."

That same logic could be extended to "respect the seniority system....and those senior to you." Why? They have already paid their dues, and have actually paved the way for you to be here, and for you to work under working conditions far better than they had.

In reality, without the hard work of the senior third, the bottom third's life would truly suck. Everything the bottom third has, had, or will have now in and in the future is the result of your benefactors. Paying dues was the easy part. We had to show up and get it done. You're welcome. I take exception to "I went through the same stuff that you did." I really RESPECTFULLY disagree. This has been a nutt-cutting, and ball busting career.

The only pilots that have had it easy for every phase of their career have been the scabs.
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