The Delta MEC and Delta Air Lines Reach An Ag
10-30-2020, 06:40 PM
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I’m not sure what I’m missing here. We aren’t parking any fleets and have far less short term retirements than they do. So while we have more pilots at the bottom that are taking a big hourly cut, we secured many more long term gains. One of Delta’s perceived gains out of this is lower their green slip “trigger”. They can’t pick up premium pay unless they fly a certain amount of hours in the month. This is something that is non existent here. We could drop our schedules to zero if coverage allowed and pick up all “green slip” flying if we wanted (and it was available).
With our deal, we are increasing LTD, gaining first class deadhead, improving reserve language, and improving scope language to start. All of our international flying remains protected and we are tightening up our scope language domestically. Our no furlough clause is six months shorter than theirs and another 15% of our pilots take the 50% hourly cut.
Also, EVERYONE is pay protected to their pre displacement seats. I look at this and all these gains and wonder why people think Delta’s deal is so much better. They got twice the early ours we did and parked multiple fleets. We are announcing international expansion and continue to buy and take deliveries of more widebodies. Our agreement has nine different termination triggers, and when it terminates, we will come out with the highest pay rates in the world and an industry leading contract.
No matter what happens, I hope in two years we are all back to where we were and then some.
With our deal, we are increasing LTD, gaining first class deadhead, improving reserve language, and improving scope language to start. All of our international flying remains protected and we are tightening up our scope language domestically. Our no furlough clause is six months shorter than theirs and another 15% of our pilots take the 50% hourly cut.
Also, EVERYONE is pay protected to their pre displacement seats. I look at this and all these gains and wonder why people think Delta’s deal is so much better. They got twice the early ours we did and parked multiple fleets. We are announcing international expansion and continue to buy and take deliveries of more widebodies. Our agreement has nine different termination triggers, and when it terminates, we will come out with the highest pay rates in the world and an industry leading contract.
No matter what happens, I hope in two years we are all back to where we were and then some.
10-30-2020, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
I don’t see enough give here. It doesn’t appear the company got any savings. There’s has got to be something else.....if not? we’ll then good for Delta.
You should talk to the guys on our Delta only forum - according to them for DAL Pilots this is the end of the world. Then again they pretty much say that about everything. Pretty funny how they are saying this deal will never pass ratification.
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10-30-2020, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
General Lee. . .the Dukes of Hazzard, with Daisy.
Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis
I think it’s him. Or at least a homage to him. No way that is a coincidence.
Man, what a tool that guy was.
10-31-2020, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
You should talk to the guys on our Delta only forum - according to them for DAL Pilots this is the end of the world. Then again they pretty much say that about everything. Pretty funny how they are saying this deal will never pass ratification.
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Barring any "gotcha" language that might broadside us, this should pass 85-90%.
Some of the perpetually miserable guys (thankfully lower in number every day) remind me of a good movie quote: "You're so ******* bored you have to invent things to beyotch about."
10-31-2020, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
I’m not sure what I’m missing here. We aren’t parking any fleets and have far less short term retirements than they do. So while we have more pilots at the bottom that are taking a big hourly cut, we secured many more long term gains. One of Delta’s perceived gains out of this is lower their green slip “trigger”. They can’t pick up premium pay unless they fly a certain amount of hours in the month. This is something that is non existent here. We could drop our schedules to zero if coverage allowed and pick up all “green slip” flying if we wanted (and it was available).
With our deal, we are increasing LTD, gaining first class deadhead, improving reserve language, and improving scope language to start. All of our international flying remains protected and we are tightening up our scope language domestically. Our no furlough clause is six months shorter than theirs and another 15% of our pilots take the 50% hourly cut.
Also, EVERYONE is pay protected to their pre displacement seats. I look at this and all these gains and wonder why people think Delta’s deal is so much better. They got twice the early ours we did and parked multiple fleets. We are announcing international expansion and continue to buy and take deliveries of more widebodies. Our agreement has nine different termination triggers, and when it terminates, we will come out with the highest pay rates in the world and an industry leading contract.
No matter what happens, I hope in two years we are all back to where we were and then some.
With our deal, we are increasing LTD, gaining first class deadhead, improving reserve language, and improving scope language to start. All of our international flying remains protected and we are tightening up our scope language domestically. Our no furlough clause is six months shorter than theirs and another 15% of our pilots take the 50% hourly cut.
Also, EVERYONE is pay protected to their pre displacement seats. I look at this and all these gains and wonder why people think Delta’s deal is so much better. They got twice the early ours we did and parked multiple fleets. We are announcing international expansion and continue to buy and take deliveries of more widebodies. Our agreement has nine different termination triggers, and when it terminates, we will come out with the highest pay rates in the world and an industry leading contract.
No matter what happens, I hope in two years we are all back to where we were and then some.
Your LTD max is still below Delta's and the 5% pay raise won't come to fruition for a very long time most likely, at that point the field will again be changed. And how long does it take to recoup the 10%, 30%, and 50% pay cuts that are in place for several months if not years? Answer: A very long time.
Not parking fleets doesn't mean United isnt parking any airplanes, reference the 10qs.
Delta announced the retirement of the 767-300ERs by 2025 which will al be replaced by the higher paying 330. United hasn't announced the purchase of any more widebodies since this all began and has pushed back the delivery of other widebodies.
And the permanent reduction in the TLV is a huge gain, it drives all the staffing models for the airline and prevents the company from running pilots schedules at redline in the summer months.
All of this and no pay cuts, it's certainly a big win for the DL pilot group.
Different airlines, different agreements, each have their own merritt.
10-31-2020, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by T773ER
True about the greenslip trigger, it needs to go away altogether.
Your LTD max is still below Delta's and the 5% pay raise won't come to fruition for a very long time most likely, at that point the field will again be changed. And how long does it take to recoup the 10%, 30%, and 50% pay cuts that are in place for several months if not years? Answer: A very long time.
Not parking fleets doesn't mean United isnt parking any airplanes, reference the 10qs.
Delta announced the retirement of the 767-300ERs by 2025 which will al be replaced by the higher paying 330. United hasn't announced the purchase of any more widebodies since this all began and has pushed back the delivery of other widebodies.
And the permanent reduction in the TLV is a huge gain, it drives all the staffing models for the airline and prevents the company from running pilots schedules at redline in the summer months.
All of this and no pay cuts, it's certainly a big win for the DL pilot group.
Different airlines, different agreements, each have their own merritt.
Your LTD max is still below Delta's and the 5% pay raise won't come to fruition for a very long time most likely, at that point the field will again be changed. And how long does it take to recoup the 10%, 30%, and 50% pay cuts that are in place for several months if not years? Answer: A very long time.
Not parking fleets doesn't mean United isnt parking any airplanes, reference the 10qs.
Delta announced the retirement of the 767-300ERs by 2025 which will al be replaced by the higher paying 330. United hasn't announced the purchase of any more widebodies since this all began and has pushed back the delivery of other widebodies.
And the permanent reduction in the TLV is a huge gain, it drives all the staffing models for the airline and prevents the company from running pilots schedules at redline in the summer months.
All of this and no pay cuts, it's certainly a big win for the DL pilot group.
Different airlines, different agreements, each have their own merritt.
10-31-2020, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by T773ER
United hasn't announced the purchase of any more widebodies since this all began and has pushed back the delivery of other widebodies.
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