Yes it does.... So when a corporation says “ recruits under this program would have to meet or exceed the qualifications for acceptance”, but don’t define that standard and it’s internal to the programs can’t you see that is corporate doublespeak? Can you identify these “qualifications for acceptance” besides the bare minimum for any yahoo starting their flight training from their website? I can’t! Have you visited their website?

If their website said qualifications for admittance:

At least ____ GPA
Minimum _____ on your Private Knowledge exam
At least _____ on SAT (math)

Now you’ve set a standard and now that is no longer meaningless doublespeak and your post from United would hold credibility. Pros or Cons aside of this new initiative do you see my point?

Did any of you read the Aviate program flow?

Private pilot paid for, the rest out of pocket and graduate with a CFII, MEL. Cost just under $80k. Total hours somewhere near 300. Oh and no College Degree out of the program from what I read.

Move onto partner organization and teach until they reach 1500+ hours, then fly for RJ outfit and if the candidate has kept their nose clean will be offered the dream job as a F/O with mainline United.

My estimate total time from start to UAL 5-10 years starting from zero. But the needs of the service could reduce or even expand those times.

Just think about how many will drop out of the process along the way.

In the mean time UAL still needs to hire pilots and probably only a few will come through the program.

Will there be any significant changes in “diversity?” Probably not, because for the next 5 plus years there just won’t be an expanded pool of qualified pilots who fit the profile.

Curios why Kirby didn't do this at American?

I don't think this profession is for everyone.

I don't want our company spending our profit sharing on "zero time (ab-initio) social justice experiments."

Learn to read.

Sure, I see your point :) My point is only that I think the company's intention is that whatever the acceptance criteria is that any applicant must meet for admission, (which is provided on its website btw), the targeted recruit applicants will have to meet or exceed those. To me that means everyone invited to join the academy must have the same qualifications for admittance and that regardless of the race/gender of the applicant, no one that is unqualified to be admitted will be admitted.

What part of 1.2 million dollars directly from United do you not understand?

Again no they are not specified on the website beyond the bare minimum of what is required for anyone to start taking flight lessons. So essentially “a pulse” and the ability to pass an FAA medical and pass the PPL written... the bare minimum. So again the United statement you cite says nothing of consequence. It’s like United bragging “Our airline only hires pilots that have an FAA ATP and passes routine medical and proficiency checks and has passed a rigorous background check”, well I would sure hope so because in fact to do anything other than that is illegal, because that’s the bare minimum, which essentially is what they are listing as qualifications on the Aviate website. It’s like saying “you need to have a drivers license” to be hired as a taxi driver! If you are not in aviation yet I fear you still don’t quite get what I’m getting at and here’s hoping you join the ranks soon and you’ll get what I’m trying to convey and I wholeheartedly encourage you to apply! 😉

Lol

OK, let us examine Baseball's missive!

Curios [SIC] why Kirby didn't do this at American? Kirby wasn't CEO of American. Also, there is a spelling mistake. I fault myself for not including 'learn to write' in my comment. Generally, I assume someone who is literate can spell or at least notice the convenient red squiggly line this website provides to catch mistakes.

I don't think this profession is for everyone. What does this have to do with people of color or women? are THEY the ones this profession is for? Or is he saying people who need scholarships for flight training? Poor people or minorities, either of those does not look very good. Very telling statement. sad.

I don't want our company spending our profit sharing on "zero time (ab-initio) social justice experiments." Now that we have the poor spelling, illogical American Airlines question and (very thinly) veiled racism out of the way let's address the main crux of my disagreement with captain Baseball.

Baseball makes a few points in this sentence, universally incorrect ones.
1. That this won't be revenue positive. They are charging for the school and were able to bring in outside funding.
1a. That we don't need this school to ensure pilots are trained to fill our regional and mainline hiring needs in the future.
2. "zero-time" These pilots will matriculate along the same path as ... EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL PILOT ... in the US.
3. (ab-initio) This is not an ab-initio program. He's wrong.
4. 'social justice experiments' I guess he isn't aware that these days we allow black people and women to attend flight school? Once again, this is about scholarships to a flight school. I'm not really sure if this is racism or misunderstanding of the program, it's probably both. My best guess is he thinks we are going to put unqualified 250 hour women in HIS! flight deck?

Anyway, I'm skeptical of management being able to manage a lemonade stand but them offering people who make up more of the population than white males yet represent 10% of our ranks isn't something I'm particularly upset about.

I'm sure you are upset about us offering help to family or United pilots get interviews as well, yes? Shouldn't we be impartial and hire only the most qualified, not someone who can 'check a box'

You got one part of that first statement right, we are afraid of unqualified people in OUR flight decks. You people are the only ones making this about race or gender.

With the second statement, you just made it clear you are a racist. Only racists are concerned with race quotas, no matter which way they go.

And lastly, yes, I do not like the "friends and family" preferred hiring. Some of the worst pilots I have ever had the displeasure of sharing the flight deck with have been hired because of their relationship with "so-and-so" in management.

In case anyone was wondering if ALPA would be a voice of reason....
https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...qLyEA8.twitter