United diversity.......
04-14-2021 | 02:50 PM
#531
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I noticed in the union rag that ALPA mentioned this new program. I also notice that ALPA didn't rip into it. ALPA just minded their business....nothing to see here. Quiet as a church mouse. What is the Safety Committee saying about this stuff?
ALPA just keeps collecting dues money. Like big time! I don't think we even need P2P, or other programs designed to organize and motivate pilots into action. Likely, we just need to outsource that to management. Since they apparently pull the strings in Herndon and in Rosemont anyways.
It's a shame that our own union can't/won't advocate for people "earning" their way into the profession by hard work and personal/individual accomplishment and achievement.
All the white guys in management and in union office should just resign. Might as well let them staff it all up how they want it.
ALPA just keeps collecting dues money. Like big time! I don't think we even need P2P, or other programs designed to organize and motivate pilots into action. Likely, we just need to outsource that to management. Since they apparently pull the strings in Herndon and in Rosemont anyways.
It's a shame that our own union can't/won't advocate for people "earning" their way into the profession by hard work and personal/individual accomplishment and achievement.
All the white guys in management and in union office should just resign. Might as well let them staff it all up how they want it.
04-14-2021 | 04:36 PM
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Is this the plan for maintenance too? I mean if it's important for the pilot group, certainly it's important for MX too? Why aren't they announcing this diversity push for every dept in the company? If you care about it, you care about it in every aspect. I think there should be a mandate that the engine shop be 50% female or we shut down because of obvious sexism. There is no way it's because many women choose not to be in the maintenance field. It always seems like diversity pushes go for the high paying jobs, weird....
04-14-2021 | 04:40 PM
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Is this the plan for maintenance too? I mean if it's important for the pilot group, certainly it's important for MX too? Why aren't they announcing this diversity push for every dept in the company? If you care about it, you care about it in every aspect. I think there should be a mandate that the engine shop be 50% female or we shut down because of obvious sexism. There is no way it's because many women choose not to be in the maintenance field. It always seems like diversity pushes go for the high paying jobs, weird....
04-14-2021 | 04:49 PM
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Is this the plan for maintenance too? I mean if it's important for the pilot group, certainly it's important for MX too? Why aren't they announcing this diversity push for every dept in the company? If you care about it, you care about it in every aspect. I think there should be a mandate that the engine shop be 50% female or we shut down because of obvious sexism. There is no way it's because many women choose not to be in the maintenance field. It always seems like diversity pushes go for the high paying jobs, weird....
04-14-2021 | 05:00 PM
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I think that side of the operation is more diverse but they need more women
Vast number of female A&Ps being denied jobs because they have a crack instead of a noodle?
04-14-2021 | 05:25 PM
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Odd that ALPA seems to be totally cool with the company plan.
Was this what Bebe envisioned for the Aviate program? Or, is this why she got forced out?
They should publish all of their quotas in all of their departments. Just publish the numbers that way the white males will know where they stand.
Which actual "line pilot" (pseudo-management pilot) is taking public charge of this? Other than Kirby and HR it all seems like smoke and mirrors with no publicly accountable line pilot that fellow line pilots can interact with and discuss or "mentor."
Was this what Bebe envisioned for the Aviate program? Or, is this why she got forced out?
They should publish all of their quotas in all of their departments. Just publish the numbers that way the white males will know where they stand.
Which actual "line pilot" (pseudo-management pilot) is taking public charge of this? Other than Kirby and HR it all seems like smoke and mirrors with no publicly accountable line pilot that fellow line pilots can interact with and discuss or "mentor."
04-14-2021 | 05:38 PM
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Do you believe that men are inherently better pilots than women? I'm guessing (and would agree) the answer is no.
So why are there 10 male pilots at United for every 1 female? Because the pool of candidates to work at a major airline currently only allows for that.
The announcement by United isn't a quota to hire a certain number of female mainline pilots. It's a goal to have a certain percentage of female/minority candidates into their Aviate pipeline p
So why are there 10 male pilots at United for every 1 female? Because the pool of candidates to work at a major airline currently only allows for that.
The announcement by United isn't a quota to hire a certain number of female mainline pilots. It's a goal to have a certain percentage of female/minority candidates into their Aviate pipeline p
2. The pool of candidates are those that felt "called" to "compete." You can only make it into a "pool" if you compete every step of the way. it's a giant funnel. Not everyone who gets into the funnel makes it out.
3. Many females do not pursue this as a career because they want to do other things. Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, nurses. Those careers allow for ladies to raise a family. Not a lot of ladies like to go out on 4 (4 day trips a month) while trying to balance family.
4. This may sound "sexist" but, lots of women don't enjoy this lifestyle.
5. Anyone and everyone that wishes to "compete" for a pilot position is free to do so. If the aviate program did not exist, United would still hire as many females and minorities as they could. The company doesn't need a program or a flight school to institutionalize their preferred hiring quotas.
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