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04-15-2021 | 09:46 AM
#551
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Maybe those minority pilots at the regional level got hired during the hiring boom when everyone on that level was looking for pilots? Maybe they were overall better candidates and interviewed well.
As far as AA saying what you specified if you cannot provide them saying it then it is hearsay and not reliable. I am willing to wager that there are hundreds of stories at the mainline level of pilots who were hired because their father or uncle worked there and they pulled strings to get them in a class despite not meeting the competitive standards. Before HR stepped in and changed the way airlines hired many had someone who worked there walk then in to the chief pilot’s office, introduce them and get their application pulled. It was a gentleman’s game and a good ol boy system. Still happened before the pandemic hit. Had someone on that side willing to do it for me. The gatekeepers are still there. So in light of the news to train young people to be pilots I have no issue with it and don’t see why there is the need to feel threatened by it.
As far as AA saying what you specified if you cannot provide them saying it then it is hearsay and not reliable. I am willing to wager that there are hundreds of stories at the mainline level of pilots who were hired because their father or uncle worked there and they pulled strings to get them in a class despite not meeting the competitive standards. Before HR stepped in and changed the way airlines hired many had someone who worked there walk then in to the chief pilot’s office, introduce them and get their application pulled. It was a gentleman’s game and a good ol boy system. Still happened before the pandemic hit. Had someone on that side willing to do it for me. The gatekeepers are still there. So in light of the news to train young people to be pilots I have no issue with it and don’t see why there is the need to feel threatened by it.
04-15-2021 | 09:50 AM
#552
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Now we have to have "equally definitive" conversations.........
You may like Pepsi, and I may prefer Cokeacola. Our experiences may not be equally definitive, nor equally anything. They may be "subjective" experiences.
Put your blind fold on. That's what lady justice does. When pilots are selected their "airmanship" should be evaluated first and foremost. That entire evaluation has both objective and subjective criteria to it. The HR department is not in a position to judge either one of those aspects of airmanship.
We're evaluating the wrong stuff.
We're prioritizing the wrong stuff for evaluating the stuff we do evaluate.
It's like we're testing people on gender and racially biased nuclear dance theory and what's really important is that this is actually just an aviation class.
Bring back the simulator evaluations with the crusty old senior Captain running the show. Enough of this crap.
04-15-2021 | 10:00 AM
#556
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Reach further down to where exactly........?
Once you've reached down to the bottom you have only two choices.
1. Lower the standards
2. Re-evaluate (reconsider) those that you already passed on and apply new criteria (new standards)
I guess there really is a third option...Pre-select based on bias - standards be damned.
If the EEOC lawsuit in 1987 was a big deal (and it was). Wait til the next round. Wait til all the reverse discrimination suits start coming. You can't legally do any of this crap. ALPA should start handing out CRAP bag tags with a big red X on them.
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04-15-2021 | 10:07 AM
#557
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I remember this from last year. That picture says it all. There is 11 females that are highly competitive. There is 48 competitive female pilots. Any hiring outside this would be deemed a hire that is not competitive or highly competitive that could go to a male that is deemed highly competitive. Simple as that.
04-15-2021 | 01:09 PM
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I remember this from last year. That picture says it all. There is 11 females that are highly competitive. There is 48 competitive female pilots. Any hiring outside this would be deemed a hire that is not competitive or highly competitive that could go to a male that is deemed highly competitive. Simple as that.
04-15-2021 | 01:19 PM
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I remember this from last year. That picture says it all. There is 11 females that are highly competitive. There is 48 competitive female pilots. Any hiring outside this would be deemed a hire that is not competitive or highly competitive that could go to a male that is deemed highly competitive. Simple as that.
04-15-2021 | 02:00 PM
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‘Can you not see how pilots of a certain light skin color and male gender have to have significantly more qualifications and experience then others. Would you not see a problem if the situation was reversed? I truly do not understand how anyone can argue using demographics and ethnicity as a hiring requirement in the year 2021
Last edited by Firefighterpilo; 04-15-2021 at 02:02 PM. Reason: Typo
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