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Old 08-26-2021 | 06:44 AM
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I know that. You know that. Any doctor willing to do research knows that. The FDA probably knows that too, but they’re not making it public information that there’s a difference between horse and human Ivermectin. The FDA recently put out a meme on Twitter saying that Ivermectin is strictly for horses and cows and for people NOT to use it. They didn’t make ANY mention of human use despite being used over 2.8 billion times in Africa alone. Why is that?

The majority if not 100% of actual use and practice has shown Ivermectin to be extremely effective. I’ll ask you as well… would you tell all those people in India to stop using Ivermectin because your big pharma studies don’t support the data? Even though the people of India has said it’s saved thousands if not millions of lives? You would advise them to stop taking Ivermectin? Seriously?
A quick search shows the FDA's POV:

"Some of the side-effects that may be associated with ivermectin include skin rash, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, facial or limb swelling, neurologic adverse events (dizziness, seizures, confusion), sudden drop in blood pressure, severe skin rash potentially requiring hospitalization and liver injury (hepatitis). Laboratory test abnormalities include decrease in white cell count and elevated liver tests. Any use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 should be avoided as its benefits and safety for these purposes have not been established. Data from clinical trials are necessary for us to determine whether ivermectin is safe and effective in treating or preventing COVID-19."

Doesn't this answer your question? What does this have to do with our vaccine mandate?
Old 08-26-2021 | 07:01 AM
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Old 08-26-2021 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
I know that. You know that. Any doctor willing to do research knows that. The FDA probably knows that too, but they’re not making it public information that there’s a difference between horse and human Ivermectin. The FDA recently put out a meme on Twitter saying that Ivermectin is strictly for horses and cows and for people NOT to use it. They didn’t make ANY mention of human use despite being used over 2.8 billion times in Africa alone. Why is that?

The majority if not 100% of actual use and practice has shown Ivermectin to be extremely effective. I’ll ask you as well… would you tell all those people in India to stop using Ivermectin because your big pharma studies don’t support the data? Even though the people of India has said it’s saved thousands if not millions of lives? You would advise them to stop taking Ivermectin? Seriously?
Thats not what the FDA did. You should read their meme and the article for yourself.

Ivermectin has had no shown impact on Covid in India. You should look at some actual studies from legitimate sources.

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Old 08-26-2021 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
A quick search shows the FDA's POV:

"Some of the side-effects that may be associated with ivermectin include skin rash, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, facial or limb swelling, neurologic adverse events (dizziness, seizures, confusion), sudden drop in blood pressure, severe skin rash potentially requiring hospitalization and liver injury (hepatitis). Laboratory test abnormalities include decrease in white cell count and elevated liver tests. Any use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 should be avoided as its benefits and safety for these purposes have not been established. Data from clinical trials are necessary for us to determine whether ivermectin is safe and effective in treating or preventing COVID-19."

Doesn't this answer your question? What does this have to do with our vaccine mandate?
Somebody else brought up Ivermectin and HCQ. That info suffices but when they put out a meme calling it strictly a horse medication and making you dig to find the human element… then me thinks there’s a motive there. Also, 34 years and 2.8 BILLION doses in Africa alone and there’s “not enough research on it”? You do realize that’s more use on one continent than in the entire world for Covid vaccines right? Would the Nobel assembly give out a Nobel prize in 2015 for Ivermectin if there wasn’t enough research?

Also, you think the side effects you listed are bad… you should look up the side effects for Tylenol. Seems to be par for the course. While you’re at it, you should see the slide the FDA accidentally let slip in one of their presentations for the vaccines. I don’t see death anywhere on your list not to mention several other major items.

You guys give multi billion dollar corporations way too much credit. You must also think United is very noble and cares about morals over profit too.

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Old 08-26-2021 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
Somebody else brought up Ivermectin and HCQ. That info suffices but when they put out a meme calling it strictly a horse medication and making you dig to find the human element… then me thinks there’s a motive there. Also, 34 years and 2.8 BILLION doses in Africa alone and there’s “not enough research on it”? You do realize that’s more use on one continent than in the entire world for Covid vaccines right? Would the Nobel assembly give out a Nobel prize in 2015 for Ivermectin if there wasn’t enough research? Also, you think those side effects are bad… you should look up the side effects for Tylenol. Seems to be par for the course. While you’re at it, you should see the slide the FDA accidentally let slip in one of their presentations for the vaccines. I don’t see death anywhere on your list not to mention several other major items.

You guys give multi billion corporations way too much credit. You must also think United is very noble and cares about morals over profit too.
Penicillin was discovered almost 100 years ago. What is your point? The question isn't "is there research on Ivermectin?" The question is "How effective is it against COVID weighed against the side effects?" As of now there seems to be meta-analysis studies on it's effectiveness, but I don't think that is how the FDA works. So your point is we shouldn't trust anybody, so we should start taking Ivermectin regularly because they've been taking it in Africa for 34 years?
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
Penicillin was discovered almost 100 years ago. What is your point? The question isn't "is there research on Ivermectin?" The question is "How effective is it against COVID weighed against the side effects?" As of now there seems to be meta-analysis studies on it's effectiveness, but I don't think that is how the FDA works. So your point is we shouldn't trust anybody, so we should start taking Ivermectin regularly because they've been taking it in Africa for 34 years?
I think we should use Ivermectin because almost 100% of actual use in real life practice has shown it to be extremely effective. I’ll send you $1,000 if you can find me a doctor that’s used it to treat Covid patients in real world practice that now advises against it. The ONLY places you can find that say there’s not enough research are organizations either directly or indirectly funded by billion dollar drug companies. Yea, no bias there. For the life of me I can’t see why they wouldn’t want a life saving 10 cent pill being used.

There is a peer reviewed study from India that shows it reduces covid infections by 83%. But I guess since they’re not sponsored by Pfizer or the FDA or the CDC I guess their study is invalid. Not enough funding for you?
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
I think we should use Ivermectin because almost 100% of actual use in real life practice has shown it to be extremely effective. I’ll send you $1,000 if you can find me a doctor that’s used it to treat Covid patients in real world practice that now advises against it. The ONLY places you can find that say there’s not enough research are organizations either directly or indirectly funded by billion dollar drug companies. Yea, no bias there. For the life of me I can’t see why they wouldn’t want a life saving 10 cent pill being used.

There is a peer reviewed study from India that shows it reduces covid infections by 83%. But I guess since they’re not sponsored by Pfizer or the FDA or the CDC I guess their study is invalid. Not enough funding for you?
So you think United should mandate Ivermectin? Maybe you should start a new thread for your thoughts on COVID treatment.
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Canadian paper on the topic which details that Ivermectin is effective in preventing Covid-19 cell replication:

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...pid-review.pdf
Old 08-26-2021 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
So you think United should mandate Ivermectin? Maybe you should start a new thread for your thoughts on COVID treatment.
lol. That sounds like something my ex-wife would say. You really know how to twist words don’t you?

I don’t think United should mandate anything. I’m not advocating forcing people to use Ivermectin. I’m also not advocating against vaccines. It should be your choice to use Ivermectin or to get a vaccine with twice yearly boosters for the rest of your life or to not do anything at all. But if legally, United can mandate a vaccine, then so be it.

With that said though, if United can mandate a vaccine with boosters for eternity, then what’s to say they can’t mandate a drug you don’t agree with? Like maybe, Ivermectin? What if 5 years down the road after all the drug companies made their billions and covid has tapered off… Dr. Fauci and the FDA then come out and say, “we know it’s been over 40 years but we finally decided to do real world studies and we conclude that Ivermectin is safe and extremely effective.” Would you then be ok with United mandating the use of Ivermectin in anyone showing symptoms or having come into close contact with someone potentially infected with Covid? The bar has been set. You agree with it now, you might not agree with it next time.
Old 08-26-2021 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
lol. That sounds like something my ex-wife would say. You really know how to twist words don’t you?

I don’t think United should mandate anything. I’m not advocating forcing people to use Ivermectin. I’m also not advocating against vaccines. It should be your choice to use Ivermectin or to get a vaccine with twice yearly boosters for the rest of your life or to not do anything at all. But if legally, United can mandate a vaccine, then so be it.

With that said though, if United can mandate a vaccine with boosters for eternity, then what’s to say they can’t mandate a drug you don’t agree with? Like maybe, Ivermectin? What if 5 years down the road after all the drug companies made their billions and covid has tapered off… Dr. Fauci and the FDA then come out and say, “we know it’s been over 40 years but we finally decided to do real world studies and we conclude that Ivermectin is safe and extremely effective.” Would you then be ok with United mandating the use of Ivermectin in anyone showing symptoms or having come into close contact with someone potentially infected with Covid? The bar has been set. You agree with it now, you might not agree with it next time.
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