Source: https://thepointsguy.com/news/united...viate-academy/

Now, whether this is to be believed or not is another story...

 

Everybody needs to pay their dues. Get all the ratings then flight instruct. Build time and fly for a regional and only after about 3000 hrs will a major airline hire you assuming your not some ex felon. The process still is about a 4 year commitment while your starve to death and rack up a mountain of debt.

 

starve to death?? Hahah

 

you were lucky

 

Now Mesa pilots flying American metal are part of the program. What a joke !

 

Aviate better figure something out rather quickly. There pipeline isn’t about to hit a snag with the new wholly owned pay package.


Under the new contract, a four-year Piedmont captain’s salary immediately goes to $157 per hour including 50% pay premium that remains in place until 2024. That rises to $161 per hour in 2023. A one-year first officer’s pay goes to $90 per hour including a $30 per hour premium. In 2023, first-year first officer pays rises to $93 per hour.

Under the flow agreement, pilots go to top scale at the end of the fifth year if they have not advanced to American mainline.

The deal extends until 2029. The existing contract was signed in 2014 and was set to remain in place until 2024, but it has been amended by several letters of agreement that have improved pilot working conditions in scheduling, commuting and other areas. In 2014, Piedmont transitioned from the DashDASH -5.2%-8 aircraft to Embraer E145s.

 

Do the frickin’ MATH. 24 months? SERIOUSLY? How does THAT work out. The MOST you can log in 1 year is 1000 hours of 121 time. That isn’t going to happen your first year because you aren’t flying 83 hours a month during Indoc and classes and LOE, and even if you were you couldn’t log it. And as junior man you’ll initially be placed on reserve which makes it unlikely you’ll log 83 hours a month there. It will take you longer than a year to become upgrade eligible and then back on reserve after you’ve successfully completed upgrade which will slow you down more. But any FO that washes out or goes off to a ULCC, is going to take their 121 hours with them, meaning somebody is going to have to fly just that many more because you can’t ALLOW CAs to flow until they have an upgrade eligible FO to upgrade to replace them.

if you are stupid enough to think the math works for ‘no longer than 24 months at a regional’ I sure don’t want you calculating reserve fuel for me because you are incompetent at simple arithmetic.

I know, Mary Ann, “Math is hard”.

 

As you just mentioned, there IS a list... but the list really starts when you join an Aviate UAX partner. I don't understand what good a list would do for you before joining UAX. It would be essentially meaningless, because if you join Aviate before UAX, the speed at which you get through ratings and build your time can be vastly different from someone else who joined Aviate at the same time. You may have identical Aviate start dates, but until you get to UAX, your position on any list would not be a good indicator on when you transition to United. That was one of the reasons why they changed to a UAX carrier-specific list. The universal list that existed before said very little about when you would actually get a United class date.

Even with this opt-in, all Aviate UAX pilots who use this opt-in feature will still fall BEHIND any participants who are already in the Aviate program... so, if you joined Aviate last year and get to UAX, you will be placed higher on the list than any pilots who were not previously part of Aviate, but you still have to get through your minimum time requirements (2 years at UAX AND 2000hrs or 1500 if you upgrade).

As an Aviate coach, I do think the program has benefitted the participants I've been coaching. Before I was paired with a new set of participants last month, ALL my previous participants are now at United or has a class date scheduled. The program is NOT perfect, but I do think it provides a clear pathway to United, and I wish a program like this had existed when I was in college/flight training. I don't think United has some nefarious desire to give you "false hope". It can help you, but it also helps them attract people into their UAX pipeline. If it's not for you, then you can go the traditional route as well. But to go back to your original post... there IS a list. Each of our Aviate UAX carriers have one. Also, United has never (at least with post-merger hiring) required a bachelor's degree. It was uncommon to get hired without it, but it was never a requirement. It USED to be a requirement with Aviate, but that is also NO longer the case. You do, however, need 1000hrs PIC at UAX without a degree (if you're coming through the Aviate program).

 

If the list exists then show it don’t keep everyone in the dark. Nobody will have faith in program if there isn’t more transparency. Also the bachelors degree requirement shouldn’t be required. That’s only going to restrict more people from flowing over and deciding to go elsewhere instead of waiting for United.

 

I get your frustration. I wish the list was public as well, but I'm betting there are reasons why they don't make it openly available. I think the program has made it infinitely easier to get to United, but I suppose you can't keep everyone happy. If Aviate isn't for you, then it isn't for you. If the Aviate pipeline starts losing candidates, then perhaps the company will adjust accordingly.