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06-26-2022 | 04:20 AM

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Nazareswave

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$500!?! What a joke. As the flying pilot you aren’t just giving up your landing, you’re giving up your break. Talk about seniority abrogation. Del-sfo I think I’d rather sleep 2nd instead of getting a measly $500. This contract, once again was written for narrow body pilots , by narrow body pilots. Pathetic.

06-26-2022 | 04:34 AM

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EwrRocks

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Sad thing is the Basic pilots think it’s written for Global pilots, one example is eliminating untriggered reassignment pay for Basic but not Global. A lot of pilots also seem to really disdain our fellow LCA and PI pilots for what they do and what’s in it for them.

The company and more importantly the union seemed to have hit the trifecta of division amongst the pilot group. Global against basic, basic against global, and both against training. Now not only will this go down to a big no, we now have many splits in our brother/sisterhood. Good times.

06-26-2022 | 05:06 AM

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Thats great that you can use your seniority to be a bunkie but if I want to bid to fly and I choose not to opt in, then I am risking the possibility of going NQ for 60 days with no pay. Of course that could NEVER happen right? Sickness, family emergency etc would never cause me to miss a trip and go NQ. My point is this is a complete BS inclusion in this TA.

If someone wants to fly then don’t bid WB until they can hold a flying seat. Senior pilots bid the flying seat because they don’t want first break and because training buys that seat freeing them up to double dip. You’re right, this is just another BS concession in this “industry leading” TA.

06-26-2022 | 06:11 AM

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I am senior enough to bid and hold the flying seat, my point is I do not want to give it up for 500 bucks. So I opt out and have a bad thing happen in my life and go NQ for landings, under this new piece of crap because I opted out to have someone who is too junior to hold the flying seat or is a senior, career bunkie type, not take my spot and force me into a seat I didn’t bid for then I can go up to 60 days NQ. That means NO PAY and that should never have made it off the table.

06-26-2022 | 06:18 AM

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Is bidding for the flying seat a company preference or a pilot preference? That might be a nice change. When i show up the captain just asks who needs landings or who expires soonest. Being able to bid for or not bid for landings is nice.

The bid IRO position is one of the best things about our global fleet. It forces the company to FBO the flying seat for training and allows people to have some idea of their rest before reporting for duty. This thing is a crack in the dam, especially if it's company preference.

06-26-2022 | 06:22 AM

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Hedley

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I agree 100%. Seniority means we bid the position that we want and this deal craps all over that.

06-26-2022 | 06:27 AM

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I agree 100%. Seniority means we bid the position that we want and this deal craps all over that.

I don’t like the TA… however the landing currency section doesn’t force any pilot bidding the FO seat from giving up a landing. The real intent is to make IRO seat bidders to opt in for an “available seat swap” landing to keep them current before going NQ… but ultimately if the flying FO and CA don’t also opt in then it’s stays quo.

06-26-2022 | 06:27 AM

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I agree 100%. Seniority means we bid the position that we want and this deal craps all over that.

This my friend, we can 100% agree on!

06-26-2022 | 06:28 AM

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AxlF16

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In one of the videos Jeff Brown said that the company has no obligation to build separate flying/bunkie pairings under the current contract. He further stated that an IT limitation is the only reason they haven't put all FOs nto a single pairing...and that IT limitation has been solved. It was pretty clear that you can expect separate flying and bunkie pairings to go away without this TA.

Just the messenger.....

06-26-2022 | 06:32 AM

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If the Capt and IRO opt in but the flying FO doesn’t then the Capt can get 500 to give his leg to the IRO. So that makes the flying FO the bunkie for that leg. If the flying FO opts out and ends up non-current do to a life event, he is NQ and can go 60 days UNPAID. I can see some CRM issues coming out of this do to different wants and needs amongst 3 people. This should never have happened.