IRO Landing Currency - TA
06-26-2022 | 06:43 AM
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If the Capt and IRO opt in but the flying FO doesn’t then the Capt can get 500 to give his leg to the IRO. So that makes the flying FO the bunkie for that leg. If the flying FO opts out and ends up non-current do to a life event, he is NQ and can go 60 days UNPAID. I can see some CRM issues coming out of this do to different wants and needs amongst 3 people. This should never have happened.
06-26-2022 | 06:45 AM
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If the Capt and IRO opt in but the flying FO doesn’t then the Capt can get 500 to give his leg to the IRO. So that makes the flying FO the bunkie for that leg. If the flying FO opts out and ends up non-current do to a life event, he is NQ and can go 60 days UNPAID. I can see some CRM issues coming out of this do to different wants and needs amongst 3 people. This should never have happened.
06-26-2022 | 06:49 AM
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Just tell the captain that you rested for the trip expecting second or third break and that being assigned the IRO seat and first break will result in a fatigue call.
06-26-2022 | 06:58 AM
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06-26-2022 | 07:06 AM
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Captains has authority yes of course, but I have never been in a situation where the Captain re arranges the chairs, especially without everyone working together to agree on it. That’s why we have different pairing numbers for bunkie vs flying. Btw AXL where you by chance an exchange guy in the UK? I knew an AXL there back in the days
06-26-2022 | 07:13 AM
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captain can swap seats now without the flying FOs ok… but you are correct that failing to opt in could lead to no pay. I think this section stinks… just wanted to make sure everyone realized the flying FO doesn’t have to opt in. But just like today a Captain could force the swap.
06-26-2022 | 07:19 AM
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Captains has authority yes of course, but I have never been in a situation where the Captain re arranges the chairs, especially without everyone working together to agree on it. That’s why we have different pairing numbers for bunkie vs flying. Btw AXL where you by chance an exchange guy in the UK? I knew an AXL there back in the days
Did you catch the Landing Currency video? Jeff Brown says that the company can lump all FOs together in one pairing with no delineation between bunkie and flying positions. He said that an IT limitation has prevented them from doing this, but its been solved. He insinuated (understatement) that they will do so without the TA. I dont know how that muddies the water?
06-26-2022 | 07:20 AM
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Company can make the FO trips one pairing if they want. But I will need to know what break I am taking prior (like 24 hours prior) to the trip and if gets changed I will call in fatigued.
06-26-2022 | 07:30 AM
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I wish...but that's not me🙂.
Did you catch the Landing Currency video? Jeff Brown says that the company can lump all FOs together in one pairing with no delineation between bunkie and flying positions. He said that an IT limitation has prevented them from doing this, but its been solved. He insinuated (understatement) that they will do so without the TA. I dont know how that muddies the water?
Did you catch the Landing Currency video? Jeff Brown says that the company can lump all FOs together in one pairing with no delineation between bunkie and flying positions. He said that an IT limitation has prevented them from doing this, but its been solved. He insinuated (understatement) that they will do so without the TA. I dont know how that muddies the water?
06-26-2022 | 07:33 AM
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…… and being that we don’t answer our phones on our days off, how will you ever know?
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