Hedley

On an ironic note, I think that we can all be glad that the previous MEC tried to deliver the Tumi turd as it was written. Had they just come out with current book plus 15%, it probably would have passed, and hurt other airlines negotiations as well. Instead we got a rare example of unpolished excrement that was shot down by 94%, we replaced our bad apples, and Delta set the bar. This might not be fast, and those with arbitrary dates could easily be disappointed, but the final product will be much better than what we would have had if the previous MEC hadn’t tried to sell us such a substandard TA.

Sniper66

the previous MEC should have been section 8 th
not just replaced

Lumberg823

"Trying to get a mediator involved now will just give management the needed public ammunition to foot drag ."
I disagree because every week we are in a war for the limited number of qualified applicants and if this drags on for much longer, especially if AA comes with a industry standard or even leading contract, new hires will vote with their feet by going to DL or AA. UA can't afford empty seats in BI so the ability for the company to drag their feet has a very limited window. My best guess within a month of AA getting a TA, UA will have to come to the table with something that has to pass, not a TA that has a chance of being shot down. With all the deliveries coming and unfilled CA seats, UA mgmt will have to pony up, time is actually on our side imho.

horrido27

Our (Yours, mine..) own Union posted on numerous Social Media platforms today -

The proposal on the table is not industry leading and continues to lag our peers in some key areas. While a gulf still exists, the Company is rowing in our direction. We encourage them to continue rowing!

Are they “rowing in our direction”?! Sounds like it. But at what speed?
Keep in mind what our CEO has said on numerous occasions-

United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said the tentative contract between competitor Delta Air Lines and its pilots will help all major carriers "get deals done on the same terms."

We can get a deal done in 2 weeks

We will be the best Airline, with the best Contract and pilots will want to come here and be jealous if they aren’t*

It was 13 May 2022 that they (company/union) announced a deal. It was 24 Jun that it was sent out to the pilot group with a rush vote (to end on 15 Jul).

Our past union leadership (won’t say his name or nickname, don’t want another harassment complaint from him to HR!) really screwed this pilot group.
It was partly our fault as we didn’t hold him and them to the fire.
The latest Blastmail from a council is just making sure we DO hold our union accountable just as they should be holding the company (and especially our CEO) accountable.

Enough is Enough

*paraphrasing.. was said while at Charm School, but the audience was NewHires and new Captains. 12 July 22, I was in the audience!

JoePatroni

Fixed it for you.

Race Bannon

You can disagree with me, that's fine . I agree with you. The end result is the same. Getting a mediator involved now is not appropriate nor beneficial JMHO

Race Bannon

Was at an Indoc/Charm school around the same time. Leadership was really proud. Even went so far as to point out a NH pilot that came over from Delta as proof of how great UAL is.
SK better step up to the plate because, much more of this, and leadership will be laughed off the floor after similar comments in the future. As it was, I had to hide my smirk and swallow my scoff and just gas off the cheerleading as "corporate esprit de corps and team building" which IS appropriate and understandable at such an event. Eventually however, there needs to be facts to back up the hype.

My daddy always tolt me, "Let your action speak louder than your words".

Management, are you listening?

EwrRocks

Leverage lies with the negotiating party that is most satisfied with the status quo. I think this is a rare case, especially in aviation, where both sides won’t be satisfied with status quo. Both sides have a lot to lose with this dragging out, not to mention Delta has now given us a mediated benchmark.

Everything you hear from both union and company is just the messaging that both sides want and need you to hear. Both sides manipulate the story how they want, it’s part of negotiation. Take out the current emotion, take out past hurt feelings and grievances. This is just business, on both sides. Business tells mean AIP or very close by end of April.

GEARPINSOUT

I was at indoc recently and after a few good nights out and quite a few beers, it turns out that a good number of guys have either left for Delta, got a start date at Delta or have an interview date booked with Delta.

Shrek

This only helps us in the long run. 👌🏻