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Old 07-19-2023 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Alcoholicliar66
Anti ALPA Andy boy I told you my religious is against drinking

when are you bringing the UPA cards again to the crew rooms

stop hiding boy
ROTFLMAO!
You claim that your 'religion' is against drinking, but you sit there and lie about me nonstop. What's your 'religion' say about you being a compulsive liar?
Old 07-19-2023 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rekatron
Okay, so is any of this based on actual precedent, or is it just a "feeling". I see a lot of people confidently talking out of their ass about ICAO but what I don't see is a lot of written history or precedent to justify how 100% confident they are that ICAO is at the U.S.' beck and call.
It should be obvious that I'm speculating, but I did pay careful attention when this happened in 2007 and learned a few things.

IF age 67 passes, then it will likely create a big mess for US majors (with current language). ICAO can help mitigate that by raising their MAX age to 67.

That does NOT require that the Euros let their pilots fly to 67.

If they choose to do that, it does NOT obligate European pilots to actually fly to age 67... they are not indentured servants, at least not more so than any other socialists. They can still retire under whatever rules they already have, unless those are changed by their own governments, regulators, or employers.

All ICAO can do is increase the max age up to which member states can authorize for their own international crews.

Originally Posted by rekatron
And again like I said before, the people doing the diplomacy are the ones who don't want this increase to happen. Why would our diplomats press foreign states to do something the POTUS doesn't agree with?
The legacies will be dealing with the fallout. The legacies do not want this to happen. I'd speculate that if it DOES happen, the executive branch will not petulantly punish the legacies for something they didn't want in the first place. I'd speculate that .gov will ask ICAO to raise the age limit to solve the hot mess for US majors.
Old 07-20-2023 | 01:06 PM
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Passed the House…

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Old 07-20-2023 | 01:28 PM
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Old 07-21-2023 | 04:54 PM
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Anyone now about how many will be eligible to return if/when it is passed? How many numbers backwards can we anticipate to fall?
Old 07-21-2023 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by EwrRocks
Anyone now about how many will be eligible to return if/when it is passed? How many numbers backwards can we anticipate to fall?
0 because they can’t start at their seniority. They would have to start at the bottom of the list.
Old 07-21-2023 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
0 because they can’t start at their seniority. They would have to start at the bottom of the list.
Exactly. We have recent precedent to support no flow backs. It’ll probably be just like that. The only thing this will alleviate is the unused sick banks of 63 year olds.
Old 07-21-2023 | 06:23 PM
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Every other 64.5 yr old I have ever flown with has been deaf, burnt out, and/or bordering an alzheimers diagnosis. You might be cognitively great but you won the lottery. Go spend your money and enjoy life. If we let this new completely arbitrary age surpass the old arbitrary age we are opening a can of worms with our medicals and scrutiny. There's this whole big thing outside of flying that is pretty awesome.
Old 07-21-2023 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ytumama
Exactly. We have recent precedent to support no flow backs. It’ll probably be just like that.
Which precedent are you referring to?
Old 07-21-2023 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
Which precedent are you referring to?
When the age went from 60-65. I’m not aware that anyone who retired before that law changed was allowed to come back at their seniority.
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