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Old 10-31-2023 | 07:31 PM
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Man, I'm sure glad they weren't forced into WB FO. With their lack of experience and time on property that probably would have been tantamount to a safety faux paw.
lol. I agree, the hysteria was a bit overplayed, but I can guarantee you your opinion is because you haven’t heard some of the stuff that’s gone down. I live it, and I can assure you the younger, aviation inexperienced, bunky is not the same as the person who’s been sitting in the WB right seat for 20 years because upgrades were slow. Yes many are just fine, but there is stuff from the last year that are things I never heard of happening before then.

the real success story is the multi pilot cockpit remaining intact. I can only hope single pilot 121 operations never happen.
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Old 11-01-2023 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PK387
CA went very senior in today's new hire class with no one forced into a CA slot. First five (and seven of the top eight) all picked CA. Last CA slot went nine from the bottom, so the last eight were all "forced" into FO.
Did any direct entry CA eligible new hires get a chance to select a FO slot?
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Old 11-01-2023 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
Did any direct entry CA eligible new hires get a chance to select a FO slot?
Nobody was forced into the Captain slots...
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Old 11-01-2023 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cfouriv
Nobody was forced into the Captain slots...
is there an option to accept a CA only position? Asking for a friend.
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Old 11-01-2023 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by opas76
is there an option to accept a CA only position? Asking for a friend.
you can bid CA as a newhire but have to fulfill the required company time as an FO before going to upgrade class.
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Old 11-01-2023 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by opas76
is there an option to accept a CA only position? Asking for a friend.
We aren’t technically hiring “direct entry captains” in the sense most people take it to mean. It’s not like regionals where you apply specifically to be a direct entry captain.

The captain spots are simply biddable vacant positions offered in newhire training. Just as you would bid for your fleet type, some positions now offered are captain spots. If you’re senior enough for one to still be available when it comes your turn to pick, you can choose it.

Then, as already stated, you go to FO training first and spend your time in the right seat fulfilling your requirements. Then you’ll go to upgrade training after that.

Basically, you’re locking in a captain spot for yourself for the not too distant future, not really becoming a captain on day one.
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Old 11-01-2023 | 08:03 AM
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What he said

Also, unless something dramatic happens, any pilot can now bid captain on any bid.

So if you don’t get it day 1, you will get it the next bid (and train after 500 hrs as above)
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Old 11-01-2023 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Brickfire
What he said

Also, unless something dramatic happens, any pilot can now bid captain on any bid.

So if you don’t get it day 1, you will get it the next bid (and train after 500 hrs as above)
Thanks everyone!
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Old 11-01-2023 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK
We aren’t technically hiring “direct entry captains” in the sense most people take it to mean. It’s not like regionals where you apply specifically to be a direct entry captain.

The captain spots are simply biddable vacant positions offered in newhire training. Just as you would bid for your fleet type, some positions now offered are captain spots. If you’re senior enough for one to still be available when it comes your turn to pick, you can choose it.

Then, as already stated, you go to FO training first and spend your time in the right seat fulfilling your requirements. Then you’ll go to upgrade training after that.

Basically, you’re locking in a captain spot for yourself for the not too distant future, not really becoming a captain on day one.
Are the work rules at United still so bad that no one wants to take the upgrade? I know there were a lot of fixes in the new CBA, but is reserve at United so bad that people would rather make $100k less as an FO than to upgrade and spend a decade on reserve?
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Old 11-01-2023 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
Are the work rules at United still so bad that no one wants to take the upgrade? I know there were a lot of fixes in the new CBA, but is reserve at United so bad that people would rather make $100k less as an FO than to upgrade and spend a decade on reserve?
That’s highly dependent on where you are in your life, commuter/non-commuter, etc. If you live local, no-kids/kids in the house that drive your schedule, reserve probably is worth it. I’d say reserve is better than being a junior lineholder, in either case. That’s just my opinion, though.
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